Companion for named Bwings?

By LUZ_TAK, in X-Wing Squad Lists

I was looking for a good 4th ship to go with the 3 named BWings. So far the best I came up with is this:

RZ-1 A-wing - •Arvel Crynyd - 37
•Arvel Crynyd - Green Leader (34)
Intimidation (3)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Ten Numb - 53
•Ten Numb - Blue Five (48)
Autoblasters (3)
Stabilized S-foils (Open) (2)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Braylen Stramm - 57
•Braylen Stramm - Blade Leader (52)
Autoblasters (3)
Stabilized S-foils (Open) (2)

A/SF-01 B-wing - •Gina Moonsong - 52
•Gina Moonsong - Insubordinate Ace (50)
Stabilized S-foils (Open) (2)

Total: 199/200

View in the X-Wing Squad Builder

Hyperspace legal, add jamming beams in Extended

Other options I looked into were:

- Jake

- Basic X-Wing

- Blount with upgrades.

- Fully tooled generic headhunter.

- AP5 sheatipede shuttle.

What would you reccomend? Dont really care about hyperspace or extended.

Edited by LUZ_TAK

Arvel. You’re very jousty and Arvel punishes people in the joust and challenges the arguably better jouster list— fangs.

I would like HLC on Gina. That i5 barrel roll is a way to get a lot of value out of it.

9 minutes ago, JBFancourt said:

I would like HLC on Gina. That i5 barrel roll is a way to get a lot of value out of it.

Me too, but don't see where would I get the points for it. Drop intimidation from Arvel and the Autoblasters in Gina is the only sensible thing I can come up with, but does not look like a good trade...

Edited by LUZ_TAK
1 hour ago, LUZ_TAK said:

Me too, but don't see where would I get the points for it. Drop intimidation from Arvel and the Autoblasters in Gina is the only sensible thing I can come up with, but does not look like a good trade...

I know it’s not uniform, but Gina benefits the least from the title. I’d stick to focus+br for HLC.

I actually like tractor more than Autoblasters on breylyn and he likes the title the most.

Title on Ten just for roll lock stress double mod. Also random jamming beam just to shed more stress.

I don’t know if it’s better or not.

New Squadron

(50) Gina Moonsong [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(5) Heavy Laser Cannon
(0) Jamming Beam
Points: 55

(52) Braylen Stramm [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(3) Tractor Beam
(0) Jamming Beam
(2) Stabilized S-Foils
Points: 57

(48) Ten Numb [A/SF-01 B-wing]
(0) Jamming Beam
(2) Stabilized S-Foils
Points: 50

(34) Arvel Crynyd [RZ-1 A-wing]
(3) Intimidation
(1) Crack Shot
Points: 38

Total points: 200

I'm liking AP5 in the sheathipede, just because of how often the b wings might be left with a stress token and it would be undesirable to do a blue manouvre

2 hours ago, howard83 said:

I'm liking AP5 in the sheathipede, just because of how often the b wings might be left with a stress token and it would be undesirable to do a blue manouvre

That's 39 pts... need to keep cutting points from the Bwings and don't see what. I need them to win the game.

21 minutes ago, LUZ_TAK said:

That's 39 pts... need to keep cutting points from the Bwings and don't see what. I need them to win the game.

32 points. ? Right?

3 hours ago, howard83 said:

I'm liking AP5 in the sheathipede, just because of how often the b wings might be left with a stress token and it would be undesirable to do a blue manouvre

I assumed this was AP5 + Leia

It’s probably worth just AP5 honestly

Yeah, I meant just AP5. I've found that generally gives just enough flexibility with the three named pilots, given that two can transfer/spend stress. Obviously you have to be a bit more careful than if you did have Leia, but if you want to keep the named pilots it certainly lets you hit harder with them with more consistent double mods/rerolls in the first few rounds of engagement

Ok I just played 2 games with the OP list. You can find the battle rep and takeaways here:

No plans to change the list.

AP-5 is solid naked paired with Ten/BraylenGina

Added to the OP.

So, brief thoughts on a few options:

AP5- just avoid. It seems like it would make sense, but is always worse than other options for a few reasons. First, Gina is basically pseudo coordinating every turn by handing out stress and she can do it even while getting blocked just because of the amount of red on the B-Wing dial. Second, AP5's dial and lack of reposition options just makes him too trash at blocking and the B-Wings don't really block either, they can against aces, but lacking that blocking presence makes you really vulnerable to I2 generic swarms. His gun is really weak, it's not just 2 dice, it's 2 dice that are usually further back and that rarely have mods. It looks like AP5 has synergy with the list, but he just feels redundant and unnecessary on the table.

Jake Farrel- Basically only uses his pilot ability on himself as the list doesn't fly close formations well and the B-Wings are far slower than he is. He is only bringing a 2 dice gun, too high initiative to be a reliable blocker. He's not as anti-synergy as AP5 as he can still do attention and harassment flanks, but if you're looking at him because you want more mods on the B-Wing, that just didn't happen in my games.

Arvel- I3 is closer to being a useful blocker and with intimidation can set up B-Wings for success and act as useful flanker. He's one of the higher picks, but still loses out consistently to...

Generic X-Wing- Either Blue Squadron Escort or Cavern Angel Zealot. 6hp, 2 AGL 3 attack dice. Can boost or roll with a pretty open dial. Low enough Initiative to be a good blocker and against droids the Blue Escort can still initiative kill with 3-4 dice shots. Everybody tries the gimmick ship or cool pilot ability, but they always agree with me on the X-Wing after trying them because it just gets good value every game and fills key gaps that the B-Wings can't while being annoying to take down. The only thing you really lose is some minor options, but none of them are really deal breakers (Predator on Ten is the only thing I'd want to squeeze in as Gina doesn't have the dice mods to use the S-Foils very well).

I have had good experiences with AP-5, Gina & Ten. Being able to coordinate a ship with a single stress is huge. Paired with cassian & K2-SO crew, you can hand off calculate & stress then have AP-5 coordinate. And his rear arc comes in very handy.

Edited by pakirby
5 hours ago, pakirby said:

I have had good experiences with AP-5, Gina & Ten. Being able to coordinate a ship with a single stress is huge. Paired with cassian & K2-SO crew, you can hand off calculate & stress then have AP-5 coordinate. And his rear arc comes in very handy.

But then you are dropping one of the Bwings to make room for Cassian. Might be an awesome list, but not a 3 named Bwings one.

  1. Gina Moonsong: Jamming Beam
  2. Braylen Stramm: B-Foils, Autoblasters, Jamming Beam
  3. Ten Numb: B-Foils, Autoblasters, Jamming Beam, FCS
  4. Arvel Crynyd: Intimidation

I do not see, what does Gina gain from B-Foils, other than the option to Roll > Red Lock/Red Evade. She can Lock on her own, she has no Cannons for double tap. So I pruned the points from her. Now this can block, then in case of Reinforce Monkeys, Gina can strip that green token. Braylen and Ten can then deliver the pain.

5 hours ago, Schanez said:
  1. Gina Moonsong: Jamming Beam
  2. Braylen Stramm: B-Foils, Autoblasters, Jamming Beam
  3. Ten Numb: B-Foils, Autoblasters, Jamming Beam, FCS
  4. Arvel Crynyd: Intimidation

I do not see, what does Gina gain from B-Foils, other than the option to Roll > Red Lock/Red Evade. She can Lock on her own, she has no Cannons for double tap. So I pruned the points from her. Now this can block, then in case of Reinforce Monkeys, Gina can strip that green token. Braylen and Ten can then deliver the pain.

You are 100% right. That leaves 3 pts left.

On Extended, I would give the Bs crack shot.

On Hyperspace, maybe Selfless on Gina? Increase Ten and Braylen survivabilty? Extra theme points if she goes down to save her loved one...

Edited by LUZ_TAK
1 hour ago, LUZ_TAK said:

You are 100% right. That leaves 3 pts left.

On Extended, I would give the Bs crack shot.

On Hyperspace, maybe Selfless on Gina? Increase Ten and Braylen survivabilty? Extra theme points if she goes down to save her loved one...

To convert it to HPS, just shed the Jamming Beams. I would actually be tempted to slap Arvel with Predator over Selfless. Although it is a good talent as well. Daredevil on Arvel is also extremely good.