Just curious. Asking all players and, especially, TOs. Would you care if a player uses AWing RZ1 models in place of RZ2 models? Everything else the player has is legal (RZ2 components) from the pilot cards, ship tokens, and dials.

What if one or two dials were of RZ1? The only difference is the RZ2's 3-Banks are blue and the RZ1's are white.

Thanks for your time. Fly True and May the Force be with You.

Dials, you need. But models? Eh. You're playing Resistance. I don't think anybody will actually give a s**t.

26 minutes ago, FastWalker said:

Would you care if a player uses AWing RZ1 models in place of RZ2 models? Everything else the player has is legal (RZ2 components) from the pilot cards, ship tokens, and dials.

Friendly games, go for it. Local tournaments, unofficial stuff, maybe even Store Championships, if I'm the TO and you bring it up before the event, then I'm probably good with it. Models are expensive, though if the player has the dials, presumably they have the ships, since those are the only bits that are 1-1 in the pack other than the model themselves. Maybe they have a specially painted RZ1, whatever, just talk to me before-hand. Larger events (like Hyperspace Trials / System Open, etc.,) you'll have to have the actual ship.

26 minutes ago, FastWalker said:

What if one or two dials were of RZ1? The only difference is the RZ2's 3-Banks are blue and the RZ1's are white.

Casual games and tournies for bragging rights, sure. Anything with a prize? No way. For any sort of tracked tournament with a prize, even if it isn't an FFG kit, you have to have the right dials.

As a player, I wouldn't mind the RZ-1 models being used in a casual game, or small / relatively informal tournaments. The difference between the models isn't any larger than a lot of customisations I've seen.

I would consider the dials a bigger issue due to the "Hold on, isn't that maneuver white? It's white on the dial" problem, but I have put up with this before in a casual game when someone forgot to bring one of their dials.

I honestly wouldn’t care, but I always recommend approaching the judge before an event starts and not waiting until it comes up.

Of course for casual play, anything goes. I played this evening at and used an E-Wing and an Attack Shuttle as 2x Jedi as I didn’t have enough.

At any tournament, you'd need to check with the tourney organiser. For official events (Store champs and above), this is not allowed. You can only use other ships with the same name (RZ-1 A-Wing != RZ-2 A-Wing). The tournament regulations say:

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If a player’s ship has different versions in more than one faction , the player may use any version of the miniature and dial that match the full ship name when assembling a squad. All dials must be from Second Edition. Plastic dial backs from the premium maneuver dial kit may be used

If you're playing casually, just grab an arc indicator and make sure you note the different dial and you're good to go

I've gone ahead and added a wiki page to clarify this issue

The other reason you ought to ask your local players: someone might be able to hook you up with a loan of the right stuff for the tournament. Our scene is on the smaller side, but we're always loaning stuff back and forth.

But more pertinently, folks will probably care more about dials than ship models.

Fact of the matter is: I've seen someone flying Imperial TIE/LN in place of First Order TIE/sf... on stream... at a major tourney. I can't recall which it was, and it was in the earlier days of 2e, but still.

If it's a 'local' tournament, ask the TO before the day to avoid disappointment regarding the models. I'd imagine that most players/TOs would not object.

However, I'd argue that the correct dials are a necessity, along with the correct cardboard.

At anything which is officially 'organised', you'll need to have the correct models. Strictly speaking, a judge/TO can stop your game (even if the opponent is happy with the situation, as I was during the UK SoS) and tell you to return to the board with the correct miniatures or the game will end in a defeat for you.

If I was TO.... fly either model if you want. Have the correct dial + cardboard though. I don’t want to argue about what a maneuver color should be versus is. Too much else going on for me to hover over the table and settle your nonsense.

For a practice game? Like casual xwing night or league night or whatever? Do whatever you want for proxying stuff as long as both players agree to it. I get wanting to try stuff out before buying a ton of ships.

8 hours ago, FastWalker said:

Just curious. Asking all players and, especially, TOs. Would you care if a player uses AWing RZ1 models in place of RZ2 models? Everything else the player has is legal (RZ2 components) from the pilot cards, ship tokens, and dials.

What if one or two dials were of RZ1? The only difference is the RZ2's 3-Banks are blue and the RZ1's are white.

Thanks for your time. Fly True and May the Force be with You.

How does a player have dials, ship tokens, and pilot cards for RZ2's without having the models?

I'd be okay with subbing a model or two but you need the cardboard. I would not be okay with trying to play essentially a Rebel list as a Resistance list even on casual night. There is a certain level of "that's not actually casual" in that.

5 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

How does a player have dials, ship tokens, and pilot cards for RZ2's without having the models?

I'd be okay with subbing a model or two but you need the cardboard. I would not be okay with trying to play essentially a Rebel list as a Resistance list even on casual night. There is a certain level of "that's not actually casual" in that.

Maybe they’re not super great at painting and want to have differently colored ships on the table?

9 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

Maybe they’re not super great at painting and want to have differently colored ships on the table?

But there was a specific question about not having the appropriate dials. That isn't just wanting to fly the Red 1E A-wings over any of the Blue RZ1 or RZ2 A-wings.

I'm of the mind to treat using the RZ1s as RZ2s just like a re-paint if you have the correct cardboard. If you don't have the appropriate cardboard though it isn't cool with me.

24 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

How does a player have dials, ship tokens, and pilot cards for RZ2's without having the models?

I'd be okay with subbing a model or two but you need the cardboard. I would not be okay with trying to play essentially a Rebel list as a Resistance list even on casual night. There is a certain level of "that's not actually casual" in that.

Well, things have become complicated with Hotshots adding Zizi and Ronith. Please note that the original post asks two questions; what if I use an RZ-1 mini with all the RZ-2 stuff, and then what if I use an RZ-1 mini & RZ-1 dial.

I could see a scenario where someone only has one or two RZ-2s, has these new pilots land in their lap, which gets them thinking about how they can run them without necessarily buying a third RZ-2 expansion, especially when they've got RZ-1s lying around.

8 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

But there was a specific question about not having the appropriate dials. That isn't just wanting to fly the Red 1E A-wings over any of the Blue RZ1 or RZ2 A-wings.

I'm of the mind to treat using the RZ1s as RZ2s just like a re-paint if you have the correct cardboard. If you don't have the appropriate cardboard though it isn't cool with me.

I saw two separate questions to be answered. One involved having enough cardboard and dials, the other did not.

1 minute ago, ScummyRebel said:

I saw two separate questions to be answered. One involved having enough cardboard and dials, the other did not.

I just see one question, "Is it okay to play stuff when I don't have the stuff I want to play?" I outlined the conditions to which I will agree in letting someone play stuff they don't have. I am willing to loan things to create that condition.

On the one hand, sure, it was two separate questions. On the other hand it was being given an inch, "Sure you can use a RZ1 model" and then trying to take a mile, "Can I sub in this RZ1 dial too?"

I’m getting ready to fly Han and Lando (Rebel Pilots) together at a store Tourney. I’m going to use Scum Lando Falcon and Rebel Han Falcon. Just for fun and ease of remembering who’s who ...

HOWEVER

All components except models will be correct. This is a must unless MAYBE a casual night.

I am bringing the other Rebel Falcon in case of objections or simply to prove I’m tourney legal. Always do this with non FFG legal components (alt art cards, locks, tokens, etc).

If a casual night doesn’t allow people to play with proxies to any extent (to include cardboard, dials that are extremely close, whatever), that’s sad. For many people that’s the only time they get to play, or at least get to experiment and see what might be worth investing in. It’s not league, it’s not a tournament. It’s literally just for fun.

There is also a dial app kicking around for iOS. Fantastic for proxy games or if you forget a dial on casual night.