1 hour ago, Varlie said:I am both excited and apprehensive about it. If the big bad group of the time really has a motto of "You can't take it with you but we can take it from you", I would laugh in their face whenever they showed up
It could also just be something that's like meta to us, but they don't actually say it in the stories. Just like a "this is the theme of their operations" so the writers have an idea.
14 hours ago, unicornpuncher said:(a) I don't believe anyone is unable to comprehend what you are writing, but I feel like they are struggling to understand why you would write such silliness.
(b) Diversity is about being progressive and inclusive and making sure there is representation that is not normally found in media.
(c) All I did with my comment was hold a mirror up to your words, and judging by how fast you responded to me, seems like you didn't like what you saw in that reflection.
(d) Anywho, let's not bog this thread down with concerns and counter arguments about certain target demos being under or over represented, let us discuss this new exciting direction the Star Wars literature is exploring!
(a) The word "silliness" is clearly subjective. My personal opinion of the worldview held by you and StarkJunior would go way beyond "sillness." However, I've tried my best to lay out as many facts as possible, disputing your many false assertions while not making any personal attacks.
(b) Except that diversity is indeed found in media ... perhaps overly so. You just have to contrast national statistics against what you see in the media and advertising. In the present-day, the media is often creating the illusion that 3% of a population has the appearance of 30% of the population.
Once more, I'm not saying diversity is bad (again, diversity is a great symptom of a healthy society); I'm simply pointing out that the push for diversity and forced diversity can often lead to racism and classism. "Let's prop up this group because they are underrepresented." "But what about this group?" "Aren't they held down more than this group?" You begin to create a hierarchy. Then you also begin to hold worldviews that include harboring low expectations for certain groups because of said hierarchy. "They need my (for instance, White Savior's) help!" Forced diversity can also create disdain, disgust, and hatred for those groups who aren't felt to be persecuted enough or are seen at the top of the food chain. "This group is clearly the problem!" (Just look to the recent Asian issues in Ivy League schools.) In the end, you quite quickly evolve into a victimhood narrative that is no good for anyone.
You ever hear the one about the path to Hades being paved with good intentions? That's the concern here.
(c) Huh? I'm guessing you're projecting here...
(d) I agree that this should not be the focus of this thread. In my defense, I left a single post making light of the childish white board and saying "looks like this isn't for me." Then someone defended the white board with the ridiculous narrative that "Star Wars has always been cheesy." My response to this was to lay out the exact issues people like me have with the topics presented on said white board and how they could become problematic and push away a portion of the target audience. I then went on to say this new effort may indeed resonate with younger generations, but, again, wasn't for me.
I've only come back to this thread to clarify misunderstood points and eliminate overtly false narratives and outright lies.
So while I believe the foundations of the High Republic are childish and problematic, and I, again, do not feel the project is something worth delving into...? I do hope you enjoy it as, perhaps, the work will indeed resonate with you.
Edited by Harlock99912 hours ago, Sturn said:Please knock it the f-off with the political and social warfare talk. I can provide hyperlinks for places you can yell at each other ad nauseum. BUT NOT HERE. It's a Star Wars gaming forum for f's sake. Heck, even the train wreck armor discussion that won't end is primarily still about Star Wars gaming stuff.
We've had too many threads get ruined by bickering. We are adults or near adults and fans here. Don't take out the doom and gloom stress over the unknown of what will happen to FFG RPGs on each other. Treat each other with some respect and resist the real-world hot topics please.
"Oh but he's wrong I've got to set him straight!!" No you don't.
That's fair. I'm out.
3 hours ago, Harlock999 said:You ever hear the one about the path to Hades being paved with good intentions?
That's not what that means. You're talking about the law of unintended consequences. It's good to try to predict the effects of your actions, but not everything is knowable all the time. Like the shift from paper bags to plastic to "save the trees"...bad choice as it turns out. And there's always some wag who can use the "law of hindsight is 20/20" and yell at you for not knowing the future.
The Road to Heck is something else, more about this:
"Why haven't you cleaned your room yet?" đ
"I was going to!!" đ€„
Sure, you were going to, so good intentions. But you didn't, so Road to Heck.
Edited by whafrog
It also means doing bad things because you think (often wrongfully) that they are justified by the ends.
14 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:It also means doing bad things because you think (often wrongfully) that they are justified by the ends.
that's the ONLY way I seen it used
5 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:It also means doing bad things because you think (often wrongfully) that they are justified by the ends.
In my experience, the biggest problem is knowing what the actual consequences will be of taking a particular action that you currently think will be an overall net positive â and miscalculating. And then you miscalculate on your correction, and then you miscalculate or your counter correction, and then youâre already in **** and your hand basket burned away long ago.
On 2/26/2020 at 3:32 AM, marbled said:That doesn't appear to be a priority list. It looks like a brain storming session.
Yes it is! "No main character" "Diversity" "Feelings" "Not pro-war" "Representation" Now we see how TLJ came about, I guess. Nothing about character development, family, friendships, relationships, and loyalty.
10 hours ago, DurosSpacer said:Now we see how TLJ came about, I guess. Nothing about character development, family, friendships, relationships, and loyalty.
Okay.
10 hours ago, DurosSpacer said:Now we see how TLJ came about, I guess. Nothing about character development, family, friendships, relationships, and loyalty.
TLJ is essentially ONLY about those things... what?
11 hours ago, KalEl814 said:TLJ is essentially ONLY about those things... what?
Nothing about " character development, family, friendships, relationships, and loyalty." on the whiteboard. It wasn't what came to mind when they put their thoughts down. Brainstorming with " "No main character" "Diversity" "Feelings" "Not pro-war" "Representation" tells me where there mindset begins . IMO, those things characterize TLJ FAR more than anything about friendships, or the like. IMO, TLJ starts you thinking some friendship or family tie is going to blossom, but then leaves you with nothing. Just my opinion, no one forcing you to agree. The same sort of social justice 'group-think' seems to be going on in T.H.R., too, from what I see. It makes me wary, but overall, I have high hopes for something starting from scratch.
If diversity is to be explored in Star Wars I would rather see main characters based off different species rather than based off ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation.
52 minutes ago, Morninghasbroken said:If diversity is to be explored in Star Wars I would rather see main characters based off different species rather than based off ethnicity, gender, or sexual orientation.
That's incredibly not what diversity means.
1 hour ago, micheldebruyn said:That's incredibly not what diversity means.
It may not be. But it is often far enough removed that one can deal with teal world issue with out causing strife and instead helping create growth. For example the Black and White aliens in Star Trek Original Series allowed tackling racism in a productive manner.
14 minutes ago, Daeglan said:It may not be. But it is often far enough removed that one can deal with teal world issue with out causing strife and instead helping create growth. For example the Black and White aliens in Star Trek Original Series allowed tackling racism in a productive manner.
That's how we got the surprisingly racist and homophobic factions in the Trek and X-Men fandoms: too much safe fake-diversity being a metaphor for the real thing. It was nice in the 60s, but it's not a thing that belong in this century.
45 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:That's how we got the surprisingly racist and homophobic factions in the Trek and X-Men fandoms: too much safe fake-diversity being a metaphor for the real thing. It was nice in the 60s, but it's not a thing that belong in this century.
Just because 3 cooters on the internet exist does not make them a faction.
the big lie is that fans are Racist or Homophobic the fact is the fans want things to stay true to how they are so far
IE the ONLY fans I saw who had a problem with Fin where the ones who thought they needed to look like jango and those fans did not know that the troopers stopped being clones not that they hated Fin for his color Or how fans where mad they made iceman gay rather then use north star
Fans HATE retcons that are not needed âŠâŠ. many hate needed retcons
8 hours ago, Oldmike1 said:IE the ONLY fans I saw who had a problem with Fin where the ones who thought they needed to look like jango and those fans did not know that the troopers stopped being clones not that they hated Fin for his color Or how fans where mad they made iceman gay rather then use north star
Since this makes two now just in this thread, I just canât help myself from asking...do you misspell sequel trilogy charactersâ names intentionally?
4 hours ago, Nytwyng said:Since this makes two now just in this thread, I just canât help myself from asking...do you misspell sequel trilogy charactersâ names intentionally?
Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to auto-correct/auto-fill on a phone.
16 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to auto-correct/auto-fill on a phone.
Which is why I asked the question, rather than diving in with a declaration. đ
3 hours ago, Nytwyng said:Which is why I asked the question, rather than diving in with a declaration. đ
even more damming. I am Dyslexic and on most things I try to use other words if its one I cant spell right but with names I try my best
its true I might have goggled it but most of the time I feel like it was close so others knew what I was saying
so yes I am not a fan of the new moves but I am not trying to mock the movies
PS fun fact I once had a PC crash on spell check back in high school
Edited by Oldmike1I have a bad feeling about this...
Seriously how much action will they be able to do without making the thousand years of peace a lie? What will the story be a shadow war between the Jedi and whatever the **** the Nihil are? I hope we at least get a few starfighter and fleet engagements but I'm not holding my breath. And even if wee do the new ships will probably end up being crap that makes the TLJ Resistance capital ships look well armed in comparison. And most of those ships were complete and utter jokes compared to PT and OT ships. The only ships that weren't badly outgunned compared to OT ships with the same role were the medical frigate, and maybe the bombardment corvette.
2 hours ago, RogueCorona said:I have a bad feeling about this...
Seriously how much action will they be able to do without making the thousand years of peace a lie? What will the story be a shadow war between the Jedi and whatever the **** the Nihil are? I hope we at least get a few starfighter and fleet engagements but I'm not holding my breath. And even if wee do the new ships will probably end up being crap that makes the TLJ Resistance capital ships look well armed in comparison. And most of those ships were complete and utter jokes compared to PT and OT ships. The only ships that weren't badly outgunned compared to OT ships with the same role were the medical frigate, and maybe the bombardment corvette.
Do people really care if they make the 1000 years of peace a lie? That's one huge chunk of time that is unfit to set stories in, at least by your standards.
Peace just means "no wars". It doesn't mean "no conflict". Anyway, reading up on it, the 1000 years of peace doesn't seem to reference actual peace in general, but specifically to 1000 years of no Jedi/Sith religious wars, a 1000 years of no Sith empires.
On 2/29/2020 at 2:27 AM, micheldebruyn said:That's incredibly not what diversity means.
Perhaps in a Star Wars universe, it does
I mean, the Galactic Empire was also very intolerant to sentient non-human races. Racism on a planetary level, if you must.
1 hour ago, micheldebruyn said:Do people really care if they make the 1000 years of peace a lie? That's one huge chunk of time that is unfit to set stories in, at least by your standards.
Peace just means "no wars". It doesn't mean "no conflict". Anyway, reading up on it, the 1000 years of peace doesn't seem to reference actual peace in general, but specifically to 1000 years of no Jedi/Sith religious wars, a 1000 years of no Sith empires.
Small conflicts and local wars wouldn't violate the thousand years of peace IMO since we know those occurred during the period. I don't see how a multimedia series in Star Wars will work well without a much larger conflict though.