Just now, Eoen said:

There was plenty of action in this episode. I love the Pykes I'm glad there's more show's with them.

Oh, yes, definitely. The Pykes are probably my favorite Star Wars crime syndicate. They were the first organization I used in my bounty hunters campaign. I think I got it just about right, based on what little information I had.

I like the pykes but the one with the mouth is so horribly designed that it is jarring.

1 hour ago, DanteRotterdam said:

I like the pykes but the one with the mouth is so horribly designed that it is jarring.

Which one are you talking about? They looked fine to me.

Which episode are they talking about where the transport crashed killing their parents? Was that animated?

1 minute ago, Eoen said:

Which episode are they talking about where the transport crashed killing their parents? Was that animated?

That'd have been off screen. They're talking about the one where Cad Bane holds senators hostage to release Ziro the Hutt.

11 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

That'd have been off screen. They're talking about the one where Cad Bane holds senators hostage to release Ziro the Hutt.

There’s no speeder case in that one, but it would have taken place right after that episode. I swear I remember something like the crash in some episode.

17 hours ago, Eoen said:

There’s no speeder case in that one, but it would have taken place right after that episode. I swear I remember something like the crash in some episode.

Same, I swear it too but I just looked through the episodes and there is nothing. It must be a similar scene in a different episode. Perhaps when Ahsoka is being chased at the end of season 5?

11 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Which one are you talking about? They looked fine to me.

The leader. He is the only one with a mouth in his tiny face.
It looks ridiculous.

6 hours ago, Inquisitor Tremayne said:

Same, I swear it too but I just looked through the episodes and there is nothing. It must be a similar scene in a different episode. Perhaps when Ahsoka is being chased at the end of season 5?

No, she clearly said during the escape of Ziro. You guys are overthinking it, assuming every reference has to have been fully realized in the animation studio. Filoni is asking you to use your imagination and understand that just because the episode ends with Ziro and the bounty hunters taking off into the sunset, that's only to represent that they eventually got away. It's not a stretch to imagine the Jedi immediately being tasked with trying to intercept them, but they didn't succeed. Basically, the episode has boundaries, but life in the SW universe goes on between them.

7 hours ago, Inquisitor Tremayne said:

Same, I swear it too but I just looked through the episodes and there is nothing. It must be a similar scene in a different episode. Perhaps when Ahsoka is being chased at the end of season 5?

There was a crash when someone sabotaged Duchess Satine's airspeeder. Is that what you're thinking of?

Perhaps some of you can shed some light on this... but I don’t understand why Ahsoka is hiding her force powers.

Surely she isn’t the first to wash out of the Jedi Academy and we know there are force users who aren’t Jedi. It’s not post Order 66. So why hide it?

Is it just because the sisters don’t like the Jedi? That’s seems like a silly reason to risk all of their lives.

1 minute ago, Hutchback said:

Perhaps some of you can shed some light on this... but I don’t understand why Ahsoka is hiding her force powers.

Surely she isn’t the first to wash out of the Jedi Academy and we know there are force users who aren’t Jedi. It’s not post Order 66. So why hide it?

Is it just because the sisters don’t like the Jedi? That’s seems like a silly reason to risk all of their lives.

Lots of people already dislike the Jedi, and people with force powers can often be seen as a threat or a tool (to any number of parties), neither of which is something she wants in this case. Many of those who washed out of the Jedi Academy went on to join the Agri-Corps or Exploration Corps,* not necessarily just kicked out on the street. Plus, Ahsoka would be much more powerful than many who washed out, if just for the reason that she made it through indicating higher affinity with the force (aside from the additional training and experience).

*At least in Legends, but I have no reason to believe that that is not the case in Canon as well.

23 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Lots of people already dislike the Jedi, and people with force powers can often be seen as a threat or a tool (to any number of parties), neither of which is something she wants in this case. Many of those who washed out of the Jedi Academy went on to join the Agri-Corps or Exploration Corps,* not necessarily just kicked out on the street. Plus, Ahsoka would be much more powerful than many who washed out, if just for the reason that she made it through indicating higher affinity with the force (aside from the additional training and experience).

*At least in Legends, but I have no reason to believe that that is not the case in Canon as well.

Thanks, and I guess I get it, but it still seems like pretty weak rationale for letting them all get imprisoned, tortured, and most likely murdered.

I like Ahsoka and am glad we know she matures beyond the politics of the Jedi, perhaps this arc will ultimately push her in that direction.

Just now, Hutchback said:

Thanks, and I guess I get it, but it still seems like pretty weak rationale for letting them all get imprisoned, tortured, and most likely murdered.

This begs the question, what do you think she could have done to save them? I'm not flat out saying you're wrong, but I'd like to help convince you that her course of action makes sense.

She mind tricked that one Pyke into accepting the clearly bogus circumstances of their "delivery". The trio wasn't imprisoned because Ahsoka is hiding her powers, it's because the other Pyke insisted on checking the merchandise.

1 hour ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

This begs the question, what do you think she could have done to save them? I'm not flat out saying you're wrong, but I'd like to help convince you that her course of action makes sense.

I’m running on the assumption, which is based on what we’ve seen Ahsoka do before, that she could EASILY take out a bunch of Pike guards and escape with the sisters, long before Trace tries to rescue them.

Stan Fresh is correct that hiding her force powers didn’t get them captured initially but I feel, and it’s just my opinion, that Ahsoka has proven more than capable of getting them out of prison. And could evade/defeat the Pikes indefinitely

I’ll concede to the narrative that the writers are going with, because I get it. I just find it inconsistent. An inconsistency that has plagued the Clone Wars... what a Jedi can/can’t/will/won’t do.

I have just watched all of the Clone Wars for the first time these past few months and feel it really sets up the fall of the Jedi well. Perhaps too well. The Jedi as an organization are incredibly unlikeable and incompetent. Worst of all is that almost all of the Clone Wars Jedi lack a sense of self sacrifice, the benchmark of heroism. This is why I find Kanan and Ezra to far superior examples of Jedi, and it is telling that so much of their development takes place far from the Order

Which brings me back to Ahsoka. Perhaps I’m wrong and she could not have, even with full open use of the force freed them all, but it seems out of character for her not to have tried at this point. Maybe I’m conflating the character I know her to become with who she is now.

Regardless, these are just my opinions and I enjoy most of what I’ve seen, even in this particular arc.

2 minutes ago, Hutchback said:

I’m running on the assumption, which is based on what we’ve seen Ahsoka do before, that she could EASILY take out a bunch of Pike guards and escape with the sisters, long before Trace tries to rescue them.

Stan Fresh is correct that hiding her force powers didn’t get them captured initially but I feel, and it’s just my opinion, that Ahsoka has proven more than capable of getting them out of prison. And could evade/defeat the Pikes indefinitely

I’ll concede to the narrative that the writers are going with, because I get it. I just find it inconsistent. An inconsistency that has plagued the Clone Wars... what a Jedi can/can’t/will/won’t do.

I have just watched all of the Clone Wars for the first time these past few months and feel it really sets up the fall of the Jedi well. Perhaps too well. The Jedi as an organization are incredibly unlikeable and incompetent. Worst of all is that almost all of the Clone Wars Jedi lack a sense of self sacrifice, the benchmark of heroism. This is why I find Kanan and Ezra to far superior examples of Jedi, and it is telling that so much of their development takes place far from the Order

Which brings me back to Ahsoka. Perhaps I’m wrong and she could not have, even with full open use of the force freed them all, but it seems out of character for her not to have tried at this point. Maybe I’m conflating the character I know her to become with who she is now.

Regardless, these are just my opinions and I enjoy most of what I’ve seen, even in this particular arc.

I think she was more hesitant after Trace and Rafa showed they were very much not friendly with Jedi.

3 minutes ago, Hutchback said:

I’m running on the assumption, which is based on what we’ve seen Ahsoka do before, that she could EASILY take out a bunch of Pike guards and escape with the sisters, long before Trace tries to rescue them.

Stan Fresh is correct that hiding her force powers didn’t get them captured initially but I feel, and it’s just my opinion, that Ahsoka has proven more than capable of getting them out of prison. And could evade/defeat the Pikes indefinitely

I’ll concede to the narrative that the writers are going with, because I get it. I just find it inconsistent. An inconsistency that has plagued the Clone Wars... what a Jedi can/can’t/will/won’t do.

I have just watched all of the Clone Wars for the first time these past few months and feel it really sets up the fall of the Jedi well. Perhaps too well. The Jedi as an organization are incredibly unlikeable and incompetent. Worst of all is that almost all of the Clone Wars Jedi lack a sense of self sacrifice, the benchmark of heroism. This is why I find Kanan and Ezra to far superior examples of Jedi, and it is telling that so much of their development takes place far from the Order

Which brings me back to Ahsoka. Perhaps I’m wrong and she could not have, even with full open use of the force freed them all, but it seems out of character for her not to have tried at this point. Maybe I’m conflating the character I know her to become with who she is now.

Regardless, these are just my opinions and I enjoy most of what I’ve seen, even in this particular arc.

I think Ahsoka could on her own, but then you get the question of whether or not the others could keep up. If she had gone all out, she might've been able to get them all out, but it would attract a lot of attention, something she doesn't want at this point. @Daeglan is also right in that she was more hesitant after the sisters displayed antipathy towards the Jedi.

As to not attracting attention, I admit this is something of a moot point given the fact that she and her allies are already kinda imprisoned. However, she may be planning to bide her time and escape at a more opportune time. Remember, she didn't start the escape attempt. Rafa grabbing the Pyke's blaster and running around screaming forced Ahsoka's hand.

Like I said earlier, the others not being able to keep up with Ahsoka's force-assisted exploits may have been a factor in her decisions. You certainly make many good points in your post, and I agree with some of them, though I attribute a bit more intent than you seem to. I appreciate the portrayal of Jedi as figures out of their depth, missing the forest for the trees. I think it all is woven together rather well. I agree with your point about Kanan and Ezra, loathe as I am to compliment Ezra (well, that's not entirely true. he was sometimes more than just barely bearable in seasons 3-4).

2 hours ago, Hutchback said:

This is why I find Kanan and Ezra to far superior examples of Jedi, and it is telling that so much of their development takes place far from the Order

Kanan only rose to the occasion when Ezra came along. His fall wasn't pretty either, but he was given the space to take a new path.

2 hours ago, Hutchback said:

I just find it inconsistent. An inconsistency that has plagued the Clone Wars... what a Jedi can/can’t/will/won’t do.

I don't have much problem with it. Their abilities are very much based on the story and the emotions surrounding them. In "animation-time" they take a while to just pull their lightsaber to themselves, or sometimes do a slash-and-push in the same "action-beat". The darksiders are the same...they can sit there beaten, panting through a story-beat pause, and suddenly enraged they Force-bind a couple of masters or lift a bunch of rocks...it's always extremely inconsistent. Only the masters approach consistency.

As gamers we want to quantify all this stuff into neat packages, but I don't think that's very representative.

That Ahsoka didn't manage to free the sisters and herself when she DID try tells me she couldn't have just ROFLstomped the Pykes earlier.

3 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

That Ahsoka didn't manage to free the sisters and herself when she DID try tells me she couldn't have just ROFLstomped the Pykes earlier.

She was clearly holding back and only discretely using the force.

2 minutes ago, Hutchback said:

She was clearly holding back and only discretely using the force.

Not being showy isn't the same as not putting forth your best effort.

2 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Not being showy isn't the same as not putting forth your best effort.

Agreed, but still not how I interpret her actions. Just a difference in opinions.

1 hour ago, Hutchback said:

She was clearly holding back and only discretely using the force.

yes. But 2 things. A she does not have her sabers and B she does not want to cause the sisters to turn on her by revealing what she can do. If the Sisters turn on her it wont help them.

If she had her sabers things would probably go very different. Even if she did remain as discrete as possible.

1 hour ago, Hutchback said:

She was clearly holding back and only discretely using the force.

Or...maybe the ability to use the Force well and strongly is a matter of conviction. She left the Temple, she has no idea where she is going, or why she even exists. She has doubts about everything. The only thing she does have is a strong moral sense of right and wrong, but her whole past, her whole time working for the Republic, a government that won't stop slavery on Kessel, is under assault. I'm not surprised she's playing it low-key, she doesn't know which path is the right one yet.

In some ways that's more "Jedi" than just pointing the Force-hose at everything in your path.