13 minutes ago, Voltron64 said:Y'know, you really have to wonder about the timeline where Maul got what he wanted in Anakin coming to face him.
Granted, Skywalker would have kicked his butt, but the consequences of him being in Ahsoka's place...
That was kinda Maul's intention.
4 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:That was kinda Maul's intention.
That's what I said, you have wonder what that timeline would be like if Anakin was in Ahsoka's place.
Just now, Voltron64 said:That's what I said, you have wonder what that timeline would be like if Anakin was in Ahsoka's place.
Sorry, somehow I misread your comment. Nevermind!
13 minutes ago, Voltron64 said:Granted, Skywalker would have kicked his butt...
I doubt that. Maul would have tried to unbalance him just as he did to Obiwan, he could even use the same triggers ("I killed Qui Gon") because there was an emotional bond there. No doubt some taunt would have done the job. Narratively, there is obviously something very difficult about the transition from light to dark that allows an opponent to gain an advantage. It's a whole new toolset, and you can't figure out how to use it while a horned maniac is dancing around you.
And to further make the point, Obiwan did win against Anakin, who was still freshly turned.
Just now, whafrog said:I doubt that. Maul would have tried to unbalance him just as he did to Obiwan, he could even use the same triggers ("I killed Qui Gon") because there was an emotional bond there. No doubt some taunt would have done the job. Narratively, there is obviously something very difficult about the transition from light to dark that allows an opponent to gain an advantage. It's a whole new toolset, and you can't figure out how to use it while a horned maniac is dancing around you.
And to further make the point, Obiwan did win against Anakin, who was still freshly turned.
Anakin and Maul both have very offensive fighting styles, and Obi-Wan's Soresu is a direct counter to both of them. While Obi-Wan could beat both of them, I think Anakin would still be able to beat Maul (I don't think we ever saw them fight, did we?).
As for your point about unbalancing, Maul already knows that Anakin is dancing on the edge, and he also knows very well the power to be gained from the dark side emotions. I imagine that he would try to play it rather cool and simply kill Anakin as quickly as possible and not risk a self-fulfilling prophesy by pulling Anakin to the dark side himself.
2 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:I imagine that he would try to play it rather cool and simply kill Anakin as quickly as possible and not risk a self-fulfilling prophesy by pulling Anakin to the dark side himself.
I'll engage in a little semantics-parsing, just because I think the distinctions are very fine. Also, I probably didn't do a good job of making the distinctions earlier.
I don't think Maul would imagine he could "pull Anakin to the dark side", just as I seriously doubt he ever thought he could pull Obiwan to the dark side. I imagine he really couldn't care less about where they ended up on the dark/light spectrum...after all, they would still be enemies. The point is to unbalance, not necessarily to change their mind. He pretty much spells this out when he tells Obiwan "your rage has unbalanced you".
Obiwan had the luxury of unexpected help and time to dwell upon his failure, but his real turn to rebalance came when Adi Gallia died, and Hondo comments "they are too powerful even for you?" (and then even further when Maul kills Satine).
Anakin may have touched the dark side before (choking Poggle, etc) but he's still trying to hide it. Maul has this uncanny way of reading his opponents and finding their weak points, I can't imagine that ability would go unused vs Anakin who we all know has bucketloads of unresolved issues. Maul would have a lot to choose from, even if it's just as simple as revealing who Sidious really is. So it would really hinge on Anakin's ability to come to terms and find balance in the situation, not necessarily his lightsaber skills.
All just MHO of course.
2 minutes ago, whafrog said:I'll engage in a little semantics-parsing, just because I think the distinctions are very fine. Also, I probably didn't do a good job of making the distinctions earlier.
I don't think Maul would imagine he could "pull Anakin to the dark side", just as I seriously doubt he ever thought he could pull Obiwan to the dark side. I imagine he really couldn't care less about where they ended up on the dark/light spectrum...after all, they would still be enemies. The point is to unbalance, not necessarily to change their mind. He pretty much spells this out when he tells Obiwan "your rage has unbalanced you".
Obiwan had the luxury of unexpected help and time to dwell upon his failure, but his real turn to rebalance came when Adi Gallia died, and Hondo comments "they are too powerful even for you?" (and then even further when Maul kills Satine).
Anakin may have touched the dark side before (choking Poggle, etc) but he's still trying to hide it. Maul has this uncanny way of reading his opponents and finding their weak points, I can't imagine that ability would go unused vs Anakin who we all know has bucketloads of unresolved issues. Maul would have a lot to choose from, even if it's just as simple as revealing who Sidious really is. So it would really hinge on Anakin's ability to come to terms and find balance in the situation, not necessarily his lightsaber skills.
All just MHO of course.
I think in this case that Obi-Wan was more likely to be hindered by the conflict, whereas we see Anakin more likely to give in to the feelings (embrace your hatred!) and regret it later.
Just my opinion though, and you made some pretty good points.
I really like Maul, especially in this arc (Clone Wars Maul=best Maul), and would love to see him go at it with Anakin. It would also be very interesting to see an AU scenario where Anakin did come and was killed by Maul. That would certainly throw a monkeywrench into the Sidious's plans.
There are a ton of TV shows or mini-series I wish Disney would do for Star Wars, most of them being "Adam-12 in Star Wars!" or "McHale's Navy in Star Wars!" or things like that, but I'm probably mostly alone in that. More generally, just shows from the perspective of "ordinary" people on the ground. Anyway, as much as I am leery of official AUs (it is one of the big reasons I can't stand superhero comics), it would be interesting to have a series of "what-if?" shows, basically 3-4 episodes covering what would happen if "Maul killed Anakin" or "Anakin lost the podrace" or other turning points that don't end the story (Luke failing to destroy the Death Star would end the story as the Empire wins and the Rebellion dies. Absent something like the Yuuzhan Vong, there's no more story to really tell in that scenario).
2 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:More generally, just shows from the perspective of "ordinary" people on the ground.
I'd love that myself. I think you can tell any type of story in a SW setting. Even that greasy-haired Inspector from the Senate Murders would be a hoot as a weird mix of Columbo and Clousseau. "Poison, it's the politician's preferred method. Am I right? Oh...look who I'm talking to...a room full of politicians..."
Just now, whafrog said:I'd love that myself. I think you can tell any type of story in a SW setting. Even that greasy-haired Inspector from the Senate Murders would be a hoot as a weird mix of Columbo and Clousseau. "Poison, it's the politician's preferred method. Am I right? Oh...look who I'm talking to...a room full of politicians..."
Even just a collection of one-off episodes would be nice. I quite like anthologies, especially when they veer towards Hitchcock or Twilight Zone.
I'm begining to wonder if Wolf and Gregor remove their chips after the fact. Unless Rex contacts those two specifically, theoretically it's already too late for Wolf. Gregor may be safe due to being awol, but I don't see how he'd even know about the chip till after order 66.
26 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:I'm begining to wonder if Wolf and Gregor remove their chips after the fact. Unless Rex contacts those two specifically, theoretically it's already too late for Wolf. Gregor may be safe due to being awol, but I don't see how he'd even know about the chip till after order 66.
Yeah, that's almost certainly the case. Wolffe was attached to Plo Koon though, so it's very possible that he wouldn't have been with a Jedi.
Well, it dropped a couple of hours early. A satisfying conclusion. Interesting little epilogue. It has me wondering when that moment took place...before or after “Twilight of the Apprentice.”
Had to laugh at the demotion after so many people crying continuity error as if the creators don't live and breathe that stuff.
Wait a sec, the last episode came out today? I thought it wasn't until Friday?
20 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:Wait a sec, the last episode came out today? I thought it wasn't until Friday?
They announced a couple of weeks ago it was dropping today for Star Wars Day (along with the first episode of Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian and Rise of Skywalker, which is about 2 months earlier than originally scheduled as well).
2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:They announced a couple of weeks ago it was dropping today for Star Wars Day (along with the first episode of Disney Gallery: The Mandalorian and Rise of Skywalker, which is about 2 months earlier than originally scheduled as well).
Huh. I missed that entirely. Just watched it though, it was really good.
5 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:Had to laugh at the demotion after so many people crying continuity error as if the creators don't live and breathe that stuff.
Technically he never was demoted. He was just threatened with demotion. That said, I never heard anyone calling continuity error, and I certainly wouldn't. Rex was a Captain for nearly the entirety of the Clone Wars, and the promotion was basically an excuse for him to lead the mission. Aside from his comment about "Ah, I never liked being a Commander" he probably would have still thought of himself as a Captain. Captains and Commanders command different size units, and I have no reason to believe that his unit got any larger. It was still the 501st.
I really liked this episode, especially the ending. I thought the falling part was a bit goofy though.
1 hour ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:I really liked this episode, especially the ending. I thought the falling part was a bit goofy though.
Maybe a bit but I didn't mind. All I know is that Ahsoka has to have a 5 Presence and 5 ranks of Cool.
the whole arc was fantastic, but that dialogue-less ending was some next level ****
they're finally together on the Y-Wing and they can't even feel elated at their survival because of how apocalyptic and heart-wrenching the situation is
and then the last few minutes are just shot after shot that just tears your heart out
all that beautiful and layered imagery
a slightly blurry Rex in the foreground while Ahsoka in a cloak is staring at the graves of the clones they buried
Vader's helmet in the foreground taking up like a quarter of the screen and high up in the sky that tiny owl that has followed Ahsoka ever since she was Jesus'd by Anakin and the Daughter
23 minutes ago, Varlie said:Maybe a bit but I didn't mind. All I know is that Ahsoka has to have a 5 Presence and 5 ranks of Cool.
Dont know about that, but I do know she has every talent from the GM's Girlfriend specialization's tree.
Just now, HappyDaze said:Dont know about that, but I do know she has every talent from the GM's Girlfriend specialization's tree.
yeah that's why she fails several times in the episode
11 hours ago, Nytwyng said:Well, it dropped a couple of hours early. A satisfying conclusion. Interesting little epilogue. It has me wondering when that moment took place...before or after “Twilight of the Apprentice.”
Im thinking before
1 minute ago, Daeglan said:Im thinking before
To elaborate on that, I imagine that he would have gone there when he learned that Ahsoka was still alive. It's been a while since I watched Rebels, and I didn't care to remember it as much as I cared to remember Clone Wars, so I may be missing something key. However, learning that Ahsoka just dueled his Inquisitors could very well have prompted him to investigate the scene of Ahsoka's "death." It couldn't have been just after Anakin became Vader since there were Snowtroops and Stormtroops, and the Clones didn't transition that quickly (aside from the Viper probe droid).
On the other hand, her "death" in Rebels could have been the reason for Vader to go to where she originally "died" and the presence of a convor makes me think that it might have been after Twilight of the Apprentice since I don't think it was around before (again, may be forgetting).
One thing I'm wondering is who buried the clones? If Rex and Ahsoka died, as they would have you believe then who would have buried the clones? (and how many clones did Ahsoka and Rex bury?)
The animation for this episode, and that scene in particular, was just gorgeous.
Im thinking he went there early post order 66 so thought she was dead until she fought the inquisiters
Morai, Ahsoka's winged companion, was on screen shortly before Twilight. She's around in Mystery of Chopper Base.
15 minutes ago, Daeglan said:Im thinking he went there early post order 66 so thought she was dead until she fought the inquisiters
I doubt it. We know from the Canon Vader comics that it was a while before the Clones become Stormtroopers.
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that it's 2 years. By this time, he's obviously already been told that Ahsoka died, and he's had plenty of time to go to the location. Why now? Why not earlier? What would have prompted him to go? Sure it could be, but I doubt it. I think it was closer to the events of Rebels.