40 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

When Maul makes his first strike, you can hear Palpatine's shriek as he attacks the Jedi. If you look online, you'll find that some have already done a side-by-side starting at that point, and the events sync up in interesting ways. Basically, though, Maul and Ahsoka's fight appears to be happening at the same moment Palpatine fights Mace and company.

The only thing that makes me doubt that is we heard Windu say his "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi" line from ROTS in the Season 7 trailer - and that scene obviously takes place before he fights Palpatine.

This is probably more in line with when Anakin is being told the Darth Plaguesis story at the opera house (I think that matches up with the other scenes so far).

1 hour ago, Kualan said:

The only thing that makes me doubt that is we heard Windu say his "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi" line from ROTS in the Season 7 trailer - and that scene obviously takes place before he fights Palpatine.

This is probably more in line with when Anakin is being told the Darth Plaguesis story at the opera house (I think that matches up with the other scenes so far).

The fight was not till the end of the episode. I think it does line up. Obiwan left for Utapau near the beginning of the episode.

2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

The fight was not till the end of the episode. I think it does line up. Obiwan left for Utapau near the beginning of the episode.

I think you're right, but phew! This is a really tight timeline.

1 hour ago, Kualan said:

The only thing that makes me doubt that is we heard Windu say his "I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi" line from ROTS in the Season 7 trailer - and that scene obviously takes place before he fights Palpatine.

This is probably more in line with when Anakin is being told the Darth Plaguesis story at the opera house (I think that matches up with the other scenes so far).

I'm thinking that Mace bit might have been made for promotional purposes only.

3 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

I'm thinking that Mace bit might have been made for promotional purposes only.

Entirely possible, though I wouldn't rule out that scene taking place early next episode - it could be a "after the cameras move on" in ROTS, we stay with the scene in Clone Wars as Ahsoka reports she has captured Maul and they're on their way to Coruscant. Then Order 66 goes down whilst Ahsoka and her clones are in transit. We'll find out soon enough!

3 hours ago, Daeglan said:

The fight was not till the end of the episode. I think it does line up. Obiwan left for Utapau near the beginning of the episode.

Not sure what you mean by this? My point was the dialogue/scene from the trailer has not been seen yet in an episode.

I'm loving these last few episodes! My lady Ahsoka is the BEST!

One thing that has been bugging me though. The last time we saw Sidious and Maul, Sidious left Maul alive and said something like "I have other uses for you." Now, the obvious reason is, to have Maul control the criminal syndicates as he has been. But this latest episode kinda has me thinking Maul has been doing the syndicate stuff independent of Sidious's direction. I mean, if Maul was trying to lure Obi Wan and Anakin into a trap, wouldn't Sidious intervene? Or is Sidious THAT omniscient that he knew Ahsoka would face Maul? What really is Sidious's plan for Maul?

34 minutes ago, Inquisitor Tremayne said:

I'm loving these last few episodes! My lady Ahsoka is the BEST!

One thing that has been bugging me though. The last time we saw Sidious and Maul, Sidious left Maul alive and said something like "I have other uses for you." Now, the obvious reason is, to have Maul control the criminal syndicates as he has been. But this latest episode kinda has me thinking Maul has been doing the syndicate stuff independent of Sidious's direction. I mean, if Maul was trying to lure Obi Wan and Anakin into a trap, wouldn't Sidious intervene? Or is Sidious THAT omniscient that he knew Ahsoka would face Maul? What really is Sidious's plan for Maul?

Sidious never gave him instructions.

2 hours ago, Inquisitor Tremayne said:

I'm loving these last few episodes! My lady Ahsoka is the BEST!

One thing that has been bugging me though. The last time we saw Sidious and Maul, Sidious left Maul alive and said something like "I have other uses for you." Now, the obvious reason is, to have Maul control the criminal syndicates as he has been. But this latest episode kinda has me thinking Maul has been doing the syndicate stuff independent of Sidious's direction. I mean, if Maul was trying to lure Obi Wan and Anakin into a trap, wouldn't Sidious intervene? Or is Sidious THAT omniscient that he knew Ahsoka would face Maul? What really is Sidious's plan for Maul?

Maul mentions that the syndicate helped him escape from Sidious' clutches.

5 hours ago, Inquisitor Tremayne said:

I'm loving these last few episodes! My lady Ahsoka is the BEST!

One thing that has been bugging me though. The last time we saw Sidious and Maul, Sidious left Maul alive and said something like "I have other uses for you." Now, the obvious reason is, to have Maul control the criminal syndicates as he has been. But this latest episode kinda has me thinking Maul has been doing the syndicate stuff independent of Sidious's direction. I mean, if Maul was trying to lure Obi Wan and Anakin into a trap, wouldn't Sidious intervene? Or is Sidious THAT omniscient that he knew Ahsoka would face Maul? What really is Sidious's plan for Maul?

3 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Maul mentions that the syndicate helped him escape from Sidious' clutches.

And if you’d like to see that story, pick up the Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir comic. It was based on unproduced scripts from Clone Wars after the show was cancelled. By virtue of that, it’s the one Dark Horse comic that survived the purge and made it into current canon, although with these episodes airing, some of the specific details have been contradicted.

14 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

And if you’d like to see that story, pick up the Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir comic. It was based on unproduced scripts from Clone Wars after the show was cancelled. By virtue of that, it’s the one Dark Horse comic that survived the purge and made it into current canon, although with these episodes airing, some of the specific details have been contradicted.

Huh... turns out I DO have those issues, guess it's time for a re-read!

Thanks all!

On 4/25/2020 at 10:44 AM, Nytwyng said:

When Maul makes his first strike, you can hear Palpatine's shriek as he attacks the Jedi. If you look online, you'll find that some have already done a side-by-side starting at that point, and the events sync up in interesting ways. Basically, though, Maul and Ahsoka's fight appears to be happening at the same moment Palpatine fights Mace and company.

That seems doubtful, it would make the timeline of the movie even more compressed than it already seemed to be. Padme's pregnancy seemed to go from no-show to full-show over the course of E3, so I always assumed the timeline was "loose", and I'd be happier if they kept it that way.

3 minutes ago, whafrog said:

That seems doubtful, it would make the timeline of the movie even more compressed than it already seemed to be. Padme's pregnancy seemed to go from no-show to full-show over the course of E3, so I always assumed the timeline was "loose", and I'd be happier if they kept it that way.

Nah, the bump was there, but she was wearing bulkier clothes in public.

And this is a galaxy where there are apparently no sonograms or any other way to determine that one is carrying twins that late in a pregnancy, so I have no problem buying that no one noticed her pregnancy at all. 😜

28 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Nah, the bump was there, but she was wearing bulkier clothes in public.

And this is a galaxy where there are apparently no sonograms or any other way to determine that one is carrying twins that late in a pregnancy, so I have no problem buying that no one noticed her pregnancy at all. 😜

Prenatal care is apparently not a thing

3 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Nah, the bump was there, but she was wearing bulkier clothes in public.

And this is a galaxy where there are apparently no sonograms or any other way to determine that one is carrying twins that late in a pregnancy, so I have no problem buying that no one noticed her pregnancy at all. 😜

I just assumed she avoided going to the doctors because it was a "secret" pregnancy. Could she really trust her doctor and medical staff not to leak the info to the press that she is pregnant? How does she hide going to the doctor regularly from her own support staff? And what if someone does leak that she is pregnant? Does she keep Anakin secret? Wouldn't that be even more scandalous for such a prominent senator, a fatherless birth? That would put her position in jeopardy, and would probably invalidate everything she has worked for. But what if the info leaks and she does the opposite, she is honest about everything and says that she has been secretly married to Anakin? Probably would have a similar affect on her career, but now Anakin would be kicked out of the order.

So, I always just thought she had plenty of reasons never to see a doctor. Is that smart to do as a pregnant woman, not at all. But its a decision she had to make.

30 minutes ago, Inquisitor Tremayne said:

I just assumed she avoided going to the doctors because it was a "secret" pregnancy. Could she really trust her doctor and medical staff not to leak the info to the press that she is pregnant? How does she hide going to the doctor regularly from her own support staff? And what if someone does leak that she is pregnant? Does she keep Anakin secret? Wouldn't that be even more scandalous for such a prominent senator, a fatherless birth? That would put her position in jeopardy, and would probably invalidate everything she has worked for. But what if the info leaks and she does the opposite, she is honest about everything and says that she has been secretly married to Anakin? Probably would have a similar affect on her career, but now Anakin would be kicked out of the order.

So, I always just thought she had plenty of reasons never to see a doctor. Is that smart to do as a pregnant woman, not at all. But its a decision she had to make.

Also medical Droids are a thing that would be easier to sneak and can be wiped.

26 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Also medical Droids are a thing that would be easier to sneak and can be wiped.

This. You don't need to worry about it so much when you can go buy a doctor at your local Droids R Us store.

Yeah Padme's pregnancy isn't what you look at for the usual way pregnancies are handled on the upper levels of Coruscant. She was hiding it, after all. Same with the Polis Massan droids not speaking Basic or lacking a human touch - these are far from optimal, or even regular, circumstances.

Has anyone statted the Nebula Freighter yet?

On 4/25/2020 at 8:44 AM, Nytwyng said:

When Maul makes his first strike, you can hear Palpatine's shriek as he attacks the Jedi. If you look online, you'll find that some have already done a side-by-side starting at that point, and the events sync up in interesting ways. Basically, though, Maul and Ahsoka's fight appears to be happening at the same moment Palpatine fights Mace and company.

I believe that Maul was the source of the scream, using his training by Palpatine, to disorient Ahsoka on his charge move into close combat.

On 4/24/2020 at 6:19 PM, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

I doubt it would. They've done so well so far, I doubt they'd pull something like that.

Fortunately they didn’t. 😎

Looks like I was right about the surgery too.

Very cool tone to this penultimate chapter; the somber Blade Runner-like music really added to the atmosphere. Good stuff.

I liked this one, but I've got an issue with where they went with the story. Part of this may just be my preconceived notions of the situation, but I was under the impression that Rex, Wolffe, and Gregor had already removed their chips before order 66. I was expecting the tension in this one to be Rex working "behind the lines" to plot their survival while Ahsoka thought he was actually coming after her. When the brain scan wasn't coming up with the chip, I thought that this must have actually been where they were going with it.
And as for Rex shaking when he was about to shoot Ahsoka, easily explained from my perspective by the emotion and hesitancy, knowing what this means for the clones and the Jedi and that he'll have to kill his own men to save Ahsoka. This actually raises an interesting moral question, of if given the choice, should Rex kill Ahsoka to save the [many] lives of his men [brothers], or have to fight and kill many of them to save the life of Ahsoka.

This is partly because of the line in Rebels where Rex says something along the lines of "We removed our chips and didn't turn on our Jedi commanders" and I'd rather not have to treat that as a twisting of the truth or something that has to be retroactively retconned as a twisting of the truth.

I think I prefer the idea of Rex and the others having already removed their chips, though I can concede that there may have been some practical difficulties with getting that accomplished.

This isn't that big a deal though, it just was not what I was expecting.

I really liked Bo Katan in this one. The beginning of this episode (and the MUSIC!) was great.

Also, kinda sad that Ridge survived from the battle of Teth, all the way to the end of the war, only to be killed by Maul. And on Maul's escape, based on my belief that Rex had already removed his chip, I thought that Rex was trying to arrange for Maul's escape so that he could be a diversion. That wasn't all that off track from what actually transpired, though it wasn't Rex's doing. I was wondering how they intended to go around Maul's escape because I figured that Mandalorian engineering was good enough to keep him vulnerable.

It's continuing next week where we may see Rex remove the chips for Wolffe and Gregor then it just a matter of semantics and getting the point across to Kanan that they didn't betray the trust. When trying to appease Kanan, I don't think "I tried to kill Ahsoka before she removed my chip" would go that far. It's truth "from a certain point of view"

I really liked this episode, the mood, music, etc. I also like how Ahsoka treated Maul, I've seen too many stories (not just in Star Wars) where two such characters would team up in the most ridiculous way, but it requires the protagonist to suddenly make stupid decisions.

What I really liked was the "one with the Force" mantra. Way back when E3 was released, and long before TCW was a thing, I wrote a short (unfinished) novel about a Jedi who left the Order over the creation of the Clones. He could see something "dark" nestled in their brains. At the time I wrote it as some kind of dark-side receptor that would let Palpatine unleash the dark side and issue commands. So even though it's established as a biomechanical device, I'm sort of tickled it shows up more easily when she makes a Force connection.

Y'know, you really have to wonder about the timeline where Maul got what he wanted in Anakin coming to face him.

Granted, Skywalker would have kicked his butt, but the consequences of him being in Ahsoka's place...