10 hours ago, Staelwulf said:An AT ST's hight is about 7 meters. A LAAT's length is about 28 meters. So it should be about 4 times as long as the hight of an AT ST...and that would make it impossible to play it on the table. So the only options they have is to either dismiss that idea or to use a much smaller scale.
Or sell it with some sort of string and pulley system.... <imagines>
https://www.starwars.com/databank/republic-attack-gunship
It's just under 18m long. That's doable!
I mean, it's probably similar in width, so it's gonna have quiiiite the footprint...
On 2/22/2020 at 9:51 PM, Lochlan said:Seeing as how the AT-TE is taller than the current largest vehicle is long, and about 250% the length, I wouldn't hold your breath. Even if they adjust the scale it would likely be unplayably large, seeing as terrain exists.
ummm its not that long...... in reality according to literally everything (on screen, video games, old books, comparing it to the LAAT, measuring the hatch on top and ratioing that out) accept one page on the star wars site. it is closer to 33ish% longer than the current longest vehicle.
15 hours ago, Staelwulf said:An AT ST's hight is about 7 meters. A LAAT's length is about 28 meters. So it should be about 4 times as long as the hight of an AT ST...and that would make it impossible to play it on the table. So the only options they have is to either dismiss that idea or to use a much smaller scale.
An LAAT is not 28 meters its 18. an ATTE base would be around 11 inches. Which imo is doable
1 minute ago, Tirion said:An LAAT is not 28 meters its 18. an ATTE base would be around 11 inches. Which imo is doable
That is too big of a base. A 6x3 board only has so much room for maneuvering big bases when one accounts for terrain. The Saber/AAT get around this by being hover vehicles that can get on top over buildings/walls/rocks/etc either sitting flat or using a 45 degree angle. Ignoring the fact that an 11 inch base wouldn't fit in most deployment zones (unless you allow it to break the deployment rules or something else equally silly), a model of that size doesn't work well when considering its threat range. With only speed 1 movements, it could move from one long board edge to another in a single turn.
2 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:That is too big of a base. A 6x3 board only has so much room for maneuvering big bases when one accounts for terrain. The Saber/AAT get around this by being hover vehicles that can get on top over buildings/walls/rocks/etc either sitting flat or using a 45 degree angle. Ignoring the fact that an 11 inch base wouldn't fit in most deployment zones (unless you allow it to break the deployment rules or something else equally silly), a model of that size doesn't work well when considering its threat range. With only speed 1 movements, it could move from one long board edge to another in a single turn.
equally as silly? that is exactly what the current rules say, so that would be fine. and you just stated it wouldn't be able to move well but then said it would have to big of a threat range due to its movement. the saber can effectively get across the board as well in one turn.
4 minutes ago, Tirion said:equally as silly? that is exactly what the current rules say, so that would be fine. and you just stated it wouldn't be able to move well but then said it would have to big of a threat range due to its movement. the saber can effectively get across the board as well in one turn.
Equally silly being that it has to start facing sideways (I really dislike this about the Occupier).
So one of two things happens: 1) The rules severely limit its movement options, which is a pretty bad play experience as most boards it would not be able to move at all or 2) It ignores terrain and can go wherever it pleases.
Either way, you also have to factor in its weapon systems. Something that big is going to have murderous capabilities. Guns that big are going to have incredibly large range capabilities. We've already seen them shut down infinite range snipers, how do you think it would play out with something that would likely have multiple versions of either the AAT or Sabers main cannon? Sure they could put in bigger minimum range, but then going back to the movement issues above it either doesn't matter or it makes the thing unplayable.
I definitely want to see the LAAT in Legion, regardless of how big it is.
#1 is the AT-TE
#2 is the LAAT
and #3 is the AT-AT
The AT-AT used to be #1 but, realistically, I think FFG will release the AT-TE and LAAT before the AT-AT. They need to build up to it gradually.
I wouldn't mind if FFG compressed the scale for the larger vehicles. If the AT-TE and LAAT were only slightly larger than the AAT, I'd be okay with that. They just need to be big enough so it's plausible that troops could fit inside them. The LAAT doesn't actually need to hold 30 troop minis and 4 speeder bikes like its canon stats say. If it held around 10 minis and no speeders, I'd be fine with that.
It's more important to get the AT-TE and LAAT into Legion than for the scale to be 100% accurate. Its combat stats and abilities are the most important thing. None of us want another useless T-47 Air Speeder!
Per the official FFG Hoth 3x3 mat, the AT-AT footprints are slightly bigger than a 70mm (Barc Speeder) base. That is one single foot. Don't see that happening outside of a terrain piece/mission pack (Imperial Bunker/Crashed Pod/Downed AT-ST)
31 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:Equally silly being that it has to start facing sideways (I really dislike this about the Occupier).
So one of two things happens: 1) The rules severely limit its movement options, which is a pretty bad play experience as most boards it would not be able to move at all or 2) It ignores terrain and can go wherever it pleases.
Either way, you also have to factor in its weapon systems. Something that big is going to have murderous capabilities. Guns that big are going to have incredibly large range capabilities. We've already seen them shut down infinite range snipers, how do you think it would play out with something that would likely have multiple versions of either the AAT or Sabers main cannon? Sure they could put in bigger minimum range, but then going back to the movement issues above it either doesn't matter or it makes the thing unplayable.
Outside of it's main gun the other weapons aren't anything crazy range 3-5 wild be fine I think for your main gun. I mean yeah this thing is gonna be like 250+ points
Edited by TirionI think some people here are suffering from a napoleonic complex. 😂
On 5/6/2020 at 8:28 PM, Mokoshkana said:Per the official FFG Hoth 3x3 mat, the AT-AT footprints are slightly bigger than a 70mm (Barc Speeder) base. That is one single foot. Don't see that happening outside of a terrain piece/mission pack (Imperial Bunker/Crashed Pod/Downed AT-ST)
I think those foot prints were stretched by tectonic activity. Yup.
I just want my troops delivered on time
I could do without the ginormous vehicles
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On 5/29/2020 at 1:03 PM, buckero0 said:I just want my troops delivered on time
I could do without the ginormous vehicles
Of the two scenarios I think the ATTE is more likely 😆
I honestly hope we don't get bigger models, as the AAT is already a pain to move and use on the table. Imagine how annoying moving anything bigger would be? The over hang of the AAT is a gaming nightmare.
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On 6/2/2020 at 2:20 AM, Memorare said:I honestly hope we don't get bigger models, as the AAT is already a pain to move and use on the table. Imagine how annoying moving anything bigger would be? The over hang of the AAT is a gaming nightmare.
For some reason I'm under the impression that It was stated by FFG in a livestream or something that these tanks are the largest models planned for Legion.
44 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:For some reason I'm under the impression that It was stated by FFG in a livestream or something that these tanks are the largest models planned for Legion.
Yeah but they've said that before with other games. I think way back in the early waves of X-Wing they said that they wouldnt do anything bigger than the millenium falcon.
Even if technically possible (tho at the moment they are clear they aren't looking at it from what they said on stream) it would be absurd on the table. I know we love new toys, but reason and game balance has to enter the discussion. The AAT is realistically to big already (the hanging over the base) and people are reporting the new tanks sometimes can barely fit with the terrain on the table. Frankly I hope they use their time and resources to fill in the massive holes in the CIS and Republic, not more mimics for the empire.
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On 6/5/2020 at 4:11 PM, KommanderKeldoth said:Yeah but they've said that before with other games. I think way back in the early waves of X-Wing they said that they wouldnt do anything bigger than the millenium falcon.
Is there something larger in the base game, or just X-wing Epic?
20 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:Is there something larger in the base game, or just X-wing Epic?
The Ghost model is longer, wider and thicker (overhanging the base by a considerable degree). The YV-666 (Bossk's ship) is a little big bigger in some dimensions. The Imperial Decimator is bigger in pretty much every dimension too.
I think the LAAT is doable, but they will have to adjust its size slightly.
I think it would go on a tall flight stand and be placed on the big base we got with the tanks.
As much as I would love an AT-TE, I accept that some things just aren't that practical for this game. There's also a lot of other stuff we need instead of big stuff, for the health of the game.
1 hour ago, KommanderKeldoth said:The Ghost model is longer, wider and thicker (overhanging the base by a considerable degree). The YV-666 (Bossk's ship) is a little big bigger in some dimensions. The Imperial Decimator is bigger in pretty much every dimension too.
So the base (arguably the part that is the effective in game size of the unit) is the same size though?