2 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

What's a 5+ save?

its a wargaming term, the defence dice of the scouts is a white defence dice with surge for defence, so only 2 faces of the 6 sided dice are effective.

this correlates with a standard D6 where 5 and 6 would be the active defence roll sides, hence the term save on a 5+

5 hours ago, UnitOmega said:

Right, but that's technically "his" E-11, which either means it's modified or just his mauve shirt powers make it better. Padme's is "looted' and just is better despite picking it up off the ground, is the joke.

In the live stream they commented that in Attack of the Clones she is more accurate with it than the B1's, and that's why they designed it as is.

3 hours ago, Alpharaider47 said:

In the live stream they commented that in Attack of the Clones she is more accurate with it than the B1's, and that's why they designed it as is.

In episodes I - VI, Padmé has the best hit ratio of any hero. Leia is second.

7 hours ago, Darth evil said:

No i want people to play Scouts and Rebel Commandoes which no one does.

They are played like crazy. Not full units, but strike teams.

1 hour ago, jocke01 said:

They are played like crazy. Not full units, but strike teams.

That's exactly his point.

18 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

That's exactly his point.

Well that's not really the base unit problem, it's the fact that strike teams are so effective. I mean rebel commandos aren't bad, but 2 strike teams are just more effective in most lists.

The scout troopers are just poorly designed since range 2 is terrible for an imperial unit. Reducing the cost is not gonna help them compete with shoretroopers and deathtroopers.

9 hours ago, Mace Windu said:

its a wargaming term, the defence dice of the scouts is a white defence dice with surge for defence, so only 2 faces of the 6 sided dice are effective.

this correlates with a standard D6 where 5 and 6 would be the active defence roll sides, hence the term save on a 5+

I was being facetious haha. Legion doesn't use real D6, so theres no need to use that term here.

2 hours ago, jocke01 said:

Well that's not really the base unit problem, it's the fact that strike teams are so effective. I mean rebel commandos aren't bad, but 2 strike teams are just more effective in most lists.

The scout troopers are just poorly designed since range 2 is terrible for an imperial unit. Reducing the cost is not gonna help them compete with shoretroopers and deathtroopers.

I don’t think scouts were poorly designed so much as they were designed in a more limited vacuum space before a player meta had evolved. The Imperial gun line is a player driven concept more than a gameplay driven one.

The creep of other units didn’t help any, but don’t kid yourself. They weren’t largely played anyway even before shores or Deathtroopers were a thing.

I think I’m the only person I know who fielded a full scout unit + sniper for a lot of my gameplay when I had more time for regular games. But that was the era before all the Rogue One goodies.

10 hours ago, Mokoshkana said:

What's a 5+ save?

If I’m not mistaken, it’s a way of thinking about dice that’s rooting in 40k. Models will have defenses that say you need a #+ to block damage. A white defense die with surge to block has a 2/6 chance of blocking, which is the same odds as needing a 5 or better on a standard d6.

22 minutes ago, GooeyChewie said:

If I’m not mistaken, it’s a way of thinking about dice that’s rooting in 40k. Models will have defenses that say you need a #+ to block damage. A white defense die with surge to block has a 2/6 chance of blocking, which is the same odds as needing a 5 or better on a standard d6.

I quoted above saying I was being facetious. 40k lingo has no place here. This is STAR WARS!!!!!! 🤣

2 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

I quoted above saying I was being facetious. 40k lingo has no place here. This is STAR WARS!!!!!! 🤣

Sorry, I was typing on my phone, then set it aside, then came back to it, then posted before checking replies to the thread, then hoped nobody would notice. 😁

28 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

I quoted above saying I was being facetious. 40k lingo has no place here. This is STAR WARS!!!!!! 🤣

Well I'd bet a lot of us started with 40k before moving on to a superior game 😁. It is a little easier to discribe the odds as 5+ instead of white defense with surge lol.

On topic, I'd agree that a new upgrade pack to make scouts useful isn't the best way to approach this, much as I'd like a new heavy weapon for them. I could see a points decrease, or an errata to add a new rule or two to the unit (I have no idea what new rules they should get, but I think they need something).

28 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

I quoted above saying I was being facetious. 40k lingo has no place here. This is STAR WARS!!!!!! 🤣

I prefer to look at it as 5+ (5/6) vs 4+ saves because it's easier to calculate the odds. Compared to red save. Or white save. Or red with surge, etc.