13 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

Freelancing lacks most of the benefits that come with steady employment yet it requires the same work. It's exploitative.

12 hours ago, Stan Fresh said:

No, it's the attitude of someone who has informed himself on the topic and isn't invested in presenting a facade of happiness about the less awesome aspects of the RPG industry, unlike you.

39 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Voluntary and exploitative are not mutually exclusive.

@Stan Fresh , I work freelance as an illustrator. And, it should be noted that the vast majority of illustration work is done by freelancers . I don't find that "exploitive" at all. I don't currently have much in the way of clients right now, but that's besides the point. In fact, given a choice between a full-time job and working freelance, I'd prefer to make a living freelance. That is because then I am my own boss . I get to set my own hours , I get to set my own pay scale , I get to set my own work conditions . Everything is on me to set. That is why many people choose to work freelance. It gives them more freedom than working for a company as an employee.

4 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

@Stan Fresh , I work freelance as an illustrator. And, it should be noted that the vast majority of illustration work is done by freelancers . I don't find that "exploitive" at all. I don't currently have much in the way of clients right now, but that's besides the point. In fact, given a choice between a full-time job and working freelance, I'd prefer to make a living freelance. That is because then I am my own boss . I get to set my own hours , I get to set my own pay scale , I get to set my own work conditions . Everything is on me to set. That is why many people choose to work freelance. It gives them more freedom than working for a company as an employee.

This is about people who have been fired and are supposed to do the same work they used to do, but now without any benefits like health care, etc. Quite a different situation.

11 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

This is about people who have been fired and are supposed to do the same work they used to do, but now without any benefits like health care, etc. Quite a different situation.

Sure

But THEY haven't given any hint of complaining, so why do you automatically assume they have reason to do so and haven't been given other benefits as compensation, such as those mentioned by Tramp graphics, for those that decided to accept the freelancing deal?

1 minute ago, MB -Fr- said:

Sure

But THEY haven't given any hint of complaining, so why do you automatically assume they have reason to do so and haven't been given other benefits as compensation, such as those mentioned by Tramp graphics, for those that decided to accept the freelancing deal?

Why does this tangent continue?

As for your question: it's because I have both seen and read about the difficulties of being a freelancer, and have experience as temp worker, which is a similar situation. But even without all that I could tell you that firing people and having them perform the same work but with less benefits is exploitative, because I'm capable of basic empathy and have a conscience.

But about those starships: maybe we'll get more ships-as-terrain examples in the book, that would be cool. Give rules for acting on the outsides of ships during engagements (like in Phantom Menace or Rise of Skywalker).

1 minute ago, Stan Fresh said:

Why does this tangent continue?

As for your question: it's because I have both seen and read about the difficulties of being a freelancer, and have experience as temp worker, which is a similar situation. But even without all that I could tell you that firing people and having them perform the same work but with less benefits is exploitative, because I'm capable of basic empathy and have a conscience.

I don't remember seeing anything anywhere saying they were converted to freelancers. And all your complaint here says is that freelancing is not your bag. Which is fine. don't take the option from others who do like it.

5 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

Why does this tangent continue?

As for your question: it's because I have both seen and read about the difficulties of being a freelancer, and have experience as temp worker, which is a similar situation. But even without all that I could tell you that firing people and having them perform the same work but with less benefits is exploitative, because I'm capable of basic empathy and have a conscience.

But about those starships: maybe we'll get more ships-as-terrain examples in the book, that would be cool. Give rules for acting on the outsides of ships during engagements (like in Phantom Menace or Rise of Skywalker).

It continues because THEY didn't complain about it anywhere

And because you're assuming that those that decided to accept the freelance deal were either forced to or haven't been compensated in other ways they found acceptable, due to ressources being freed from those who just left. We're perfectly able of empathy and have consciences, most of us just require some proof that something is wrong before crusading for people that might not need it

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

I don't remember seeing anything anywhere saying they were converted to freelancers.

This entire tangent grew out of your saying the fired employees wouldn't need to be rehired.

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

And all your complaint here says is that freelancing is not your bag. Which is fine. don't take the option from others who do like it.

What are you even talking about. Taking the option from them? Doing them lots of harm??? What are you even accusing me of, secretly ripping up contracts and punching people in the neck? W. T. F.

1 minute ago, MB -Fr- said:

It continues because THEY didn't complain about it anywhere

And because you're assuming that those that decided to accept the freelance deal were either forced to or haven't been compensated in other ways they found acceptable, due to ressources being freed from those who just left.

You should re-read the thread. This is about Daeglan's hypothetical. I've already explained that to you.

1 minute ago, MB -Fr- said:

We're perfectly able of empathy and have consciences, most of us just require some proof that something is wrong before crusading for people that might not need it

I didn't say you weren't. You asked me a question about me, and I answered *for me*. Don't seek offense where there is none.

Just now, Stan Fresh said:

This entire tangent grew out of your saying the fired employees wouldn't need to be rehired.

What are you even talking about. Taking the option from them? Doing them lots of harm??? What are you even accusing me of, secretly ripping up contracts and punching people in the neck? W. T. F.

Because they don't need to be rehired for this game line to continue. I wish them the best. But they are not required for this game line to continue. Maybe not read more into what I said than what I said. And maybe not rip on freelancing being an option people choose just because you dont like it. You are reading a whole lot more into things than were ever said anywhere.

Once again, Daeglan has successfully poisoned a thread.

...so I hear Starships & Speeders is shipping.

1 minute ago, Stan Fresh said:

Once again, Daeglan has successfully poisoned a thread.

No. You poisoned the thread by claiming I said made claims I never made. You read a whole lot more of your issues into a simple statement about how necessary the RPG department is needed for the RPG to continue. This apparently made you more mad than it made those people who were laid off.

5 minutes ago, Stan Fresh said:

This entire tangent grew out of your saying the fired employees wouldn't need to be rehired.

Strictly speaking, he’s right.

For this (or any of FFG’s) RPG line to continue, neither rehiring the laid off employees nor hiring a permanent RPG staff is absolutely necessary. It’s not even absolutely necessary for any of the personnel that previously worked on the line - as staff or freelancer - to contribute to future products.

It’s probably safe to say that most, if not all, of us wish that Sam, Tim, and company were still on staff. But they’re not. And we don’t know to what capacity - if any - anyone might contribute to potential future content.

Seems to me this tangent is still going on because the two “sides” aren’t really having the same conversation. Which happens from time to time.

I tried.

1 minute ago, Kualan said:

I tried.

Do or do not, there is no "try"

1 minute ago, Kualan said:

I tried.

Hey, I got nothin’ til (assuming the usual pattern holds) next Friday.

Good effort, though!

2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Strictly speaking, he’s right.

For this (or any of FFG’s) RPG line to continue, neither rehiring the laid off employees nor hiring a permanent RPG staff is absolutely necessary. It’s not even absolutely necessary for any of the personnel that previously worked on the line - as staff or freelancer - to contribute to future products.

It’s probably safe to say that most, if not all, of us wish that Sam, Tim, and company were still on staff. But they’re not. And we don’t know to what capacity - if any - anyone might contribute to potential future content.

Seems to me this tangent is still going on because the two “sides” aren’t really having the same conversation. Which happens from time to time.

Which was my whole point.

5 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

This apparently made you more mad than it made those people who were laid off.

No, mad is making up stories about me doing harm to people and keeping them from doing things.

Just now, Stan Fresh said:

No, mad is making up stories about me doing harm to people and keeping them from doing things.

then maybe not go on tirades about the evils of people employing freelancers. I didn't make you go off on the concept of freelancers being exploited. you did.

8 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

For this (or any of FFG’s) RPG line to continue, neither rehiring the laid off employees nor hiring a permanent RPG staff is absolutely necessary.

Like I said earlier: "If you want them to work in halfway humane conditions, they do. "

Just now, Stan Fresh said:

Like I said earlier: "If you want them to work in halfway humane conditions, they do. "

What is inhumane about someone doing freelance work?

Just now, Daeglan said:

then maybe not go on tirades about the evils of people employing freelancers. I didn't make you go off on the concept of freelancers being exploited. you did.

"Tirades", lol. My initial comments, to which you took so much exception, were each exactly one sentence on that topic

But cool that you admit to making up that stuff.

You are both going in circles, jeez.

Back on topic -

Are there any OT-era ships that we see in canon that have yet to be statted up that we think might have a chance at appearing in the book?

I'm assuming PT- and ST-era ships won't be in there unless they already exist in another book.

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

What is inhumane about someone doing freelance work?

Yeah I already answered that, multiple times. You can just read the thread.

Just now, Kualan said:

Are there any OT-era ships that we see in canon that have yet to be statted up that we think might have a chance at appearing in the book?

The Mandalorian Fang fighter, of course!