12 hours ago, Daeglan said:

So after relistening to the Collapse of the Republic episode of the Order 66 podcast I think since Padawan already has Discipline and Lightsaber as career skills. So it would meed to be a different talent that could give you those benefits and maybe something else as the career skill portion is already a part of the career.

Padawan doesn't have lightsaber or discipline as career skills, the jedi career does, so while characters starting in jedi:padawan will only gain the lightsaber construction, repair and modification benefits of those two talents, a force sensitive character that cross spec'ed into padawan would gain the full advantage of them. However, even for characters starting with jedi the dev said they should have the talents after all (in the two minutes starting at 1:17).

9 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

Padawan doesn't have lightsaber or discipline as career skills, the jedi career does, so while characters starting in jedi:padawan will only gain the lightsaber construction, repair and modification benefits of those two talents, a force sensitive character that cross spec'ed into padawan would gain the full advantage of them. However, even for characters starting with jedi the dev said they should have the talents after all (in the two minutes starting at 1:17).

Yeah but for a lot of people who start in padawan they are only getting half a talent. That is bad.

8 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Yeah but for a lot of people who start in padawan they are only getting half a talent. That is bad.

There are three ways to look at this:

1) the other half of the talents are useful enough that it doesn't matter (what was dropped from the tree was sense danger and valuable facts, so this is very solid)

2) it's okay to have some talents in the tree that are less than amazing (so it doesn't become why not take this tree)

3) given the positions in the tree, it's easy enough for a player to buy around them so they haven't wasted any xp if they are less than satisfied

Some combination of these three was the dev's final position at the end of the 066 episode even if you don't share his opinion.

Btw it was brought to my attention beginner's luck should take sincerest flattery's place and sincerest flattery should take valuable facts so power gamers don't try to poach a cheap beginner's luck (which is a pretty powerful talent mechanically even if I don't like the narrative theme of it).