I would buy the new releases if anyone in Canada had some at a reasonable price, but that doesn't seem to be the case from my searches. Just because I can afford the higher rate does not mean I will pay it, that is stupid for some plastic and paper. I want to say I still get excited about this game but that would be a lie, and its all because of the poor release schedule and supply efforts (don't care if they "promised" to fix it, I have little faith in modern FFG so Ill believe it when I see it). Getting squadrons is a pain (and pack 2 is a trash option that isn't worth the money), getting new releases has become a hassle as I need to either get online as they drop or snag a preorder before they sell out, and the releases are so slow and far between that by the time they come out I only buy them because I am already committed, not because I am all excited to see them anymore, especially with all the spoilers we get ahead of time taking away any surprise.

Actually do what you said you would do and get this game in order, I should not have this much trouble buying your products, and I reiterate that I wont spend more by a large margin to get it, to buy from your store vs the ones I do business with would be at least 25% more per purchase before shipping costs and that's absurd. Especially when you factor in the cost creep of the newer waves. So before you get too deep into Clone Wars, how about you sort out the simple act of supplying the market?

We have had a recent influx on new players in our area and the frustration at getting product is palpable. Seriously, why should a new players only option for getting a Glad be paying 4-5x MSRP from scalpers buying up stock and reselling on eBay?

It should not be as difficult as it is to get supply for a game that is in production.

As someone that got back into the game after 4 years, Amazon has been great. Filled most holes, it was universally cheaper than my LFGS or even Miniature Market (who misrepresented their stock and haven't returned my emails to cancel my order. Guess I need to do a charge back.) Bonus is most had next day shipping.

34 minutes ago, gredert said:

and pack 2 is a trash option that isn't worth the money

Aside from this gravely incorrect statement, I sympathize or agree with everything here.

I have a shared collection and with a friend and we sold our Glad / Mc30 and two Arquitens for more than the original pirce and got enough money to buy the Onager and the Starhawk + extra goddies for storage etc. We aim to rebuy the other stuff as soon as its back in stock (and we still got enough money left over to buy half the stuff we sold).

Last time I looked, the only available Demo goes for 152 Euro on Amazon Germany.

The situation is just absurd.

1 hour ago, Doppelganger said:

Last time I looked, the only available Demo goes for 152 Euro on Amazon Germany.

If you don't mind Polish, there's a Gladiator hidden in my local store for 30€ or less. If anyone is interested, I could check out the price this week and arrange something, or just send you a link if that store ships worldwide.

49 minutes ago, Petersaber said:

If you don't mind Polish, there's a Gladiator hidden in my local store for 30€ or less. If anyone is interested, I could check out the price this week and arrange something, or just send you a link if that store ships worldwide.

30 € is less than 152 €. But it's still double the price I payed for each of my 3 Gladiators. And if there is a lonesome EP somewhere left in Poland, it doesn't change the situation, that it's hard to buy any Armada stuff. It's hard to get new players into the game if they don't have a reasoable choice to choose what they would like to get without paying fantasy flying prices.

I own 44 ships (1 of them the SSD) but I'm not willing to pay 70 € for the Starhawk Expansion. I don't believe it's (nearly) double the effort to produce compared to an ISD.

1 hour ago, Triangular said:

I own 44 ships (1 of them the SSD) but I'm not willing to pay 70 € for the Starhawk Expansion. I don't believe it's (nearly) double the effort to produce compared to an ISD.

FFG didn’t have to do much design work on ISDs though. They are very well documented outside of Armada. From my understanding, they did a fair bit of design with the Starhawk since it really hasn’t shown up visually anywhere. Tie that in with being more intricately detailed and larger than an ISD, I think it justifies a price increase.

That said, to each their own. If you don’t want to buy it, then you don’t have to. There’s just more to most costs than purely physical production.

1 hour ago, Triangular said:

30 € is less than 152 €. But it's still double the price I payed for each of my 3 Gladiators. And if there is a lonesome EP somewhere left in Poland, it doesn't change the situation, that it's hard to buy any Armada stuff. It's hard to get new players into the game if they don't have a reasoable choice to choose what they would like to get without paying fantasy flying prices.

I own 44 ships (1 of them the SSD) but I'm not willing to pay 70 € for the Starhawk Expansion. I don't believe it's (nearly) double the effort to produce compared to an ISD.

My regular opponent got his last week. It's an absolute beast. I am not surprised it's the price that it is considering how huge it is.

Starhawk is my favorite sculpt so far. I have no regrets about the price, might even get a second

4 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Starhawk is my favorite sculpt so far. I have no regrets about the price, might even get a second

Agreed. I planned on getting one, I usually buy 3 of most ships, but was put off by the price. As soon as I got mine I wanted a 2nd. **** thing is massive. A couple of those facing down an SSD would look incredible.

21 hours ago, gredert said:

I would buy the new releases if anyone in Canada had some at a reasonable price, but that doesn't seem to be the case from my searches. Just because I can afford the higher rate does not mean I will pay it, that is stupid for some plastic and paper. I want to say I still get excited about this game but that would be a lie, and its all because of the poor release schedule and supply efforts (don't care if they "promised" to fix it, I have little faith in modern FFG so Ill believe it when I see it). Getting squadrons is a pain (and pack 2 is a trash option that isn't worth the money), getting new releases has become a hassle as I need to either get online as they drop or snag a preorder before they sell out, and the releases are so slow and far between that by the time they come out I only buy them because I am already committed, not because I am all excited to see them anymore, especially with all the spoilers we get ahead of time taking away any surprise.

Actually do what you said you would do and get this game in order, I should not have this much trouble buying your products, and I reiterate that I wont spend more by a large margin to get it, to buy from your store vs the ones I do business with would be at least 25% more per purchase before shipping costs and that's absurd. Especially when you factor in the cost creep of the newer waves. So before you get too deep into Clone Wars, how about you sort out the simple act of supplying the market?

FFG took two negative traits during character generation (they also have very many positive traits):

- inefficient logistics

- constant delays

Got one of each and that should be enough. Both ships are pretty specialized. Cant really see playing more than one Onager like giving it a shield in the form of an ISD or MSU. Though can see some merits of playing two Starhawks think a faster partner would be better for it.

FFG doesn't supply retailers, that's up to the various distributors.

19 hours ago, Triangular said:

30 € is less than 152 €. But it's still double the price I payed for each of my 3 Gladiators. And if there is a lonesome EP somewhere left in Poland, it doesn't change the situation, that it's hard to buy any Armada stuff. It's hard to get new players into the game if they don't have a reasoable choice to choose what they would like to get without paying fantasy flying prices.

I own 44 ships (1 of them the SSD) but I'm not willing to pay 70 € for the Starhawk Expansion. I don't believe it's (nearly) double the effort to produce compared to an ISD.

Have you seen how big and detailed the Starhawk is compared to an ISD? It is definitely gonna cost a bit more than it. If anything. The ISD might be undercosted....

1 hour ago, TallGiraffe said:

Have you seen how big and detailed the Starhawk is compared to an ISD? It is definitely gonna cost a bit more than it. If anything. The ISD might be undercosted....

How could I? The ship won't be available before March at this side of the ocean. I will take a look at it as soon as a friend got one of them. Maybe I will change my mind then. But for now I don't feel the urge to preorder this very expensive expansion.

1 hour ago, Triangular said:

But for now I don't feel the urge to preorder this very expensive expansion.

This is the thing. I am UK based and pre-ordered both the Onager & Starhawk from my FLGS in November 2019 when the expected delivery date was December 2019, its now February and I still don't have either ship (because they were part of the same order I have to wait for both to be in stock before they will ship, which I can totally understand).

It has now been two years since the Rebel faction had a ship released (I'm not counting the Rebellion in the Rim campaign as that is not a ship). TWO YEARS since Rebel players have seen anything interesting. In that time the Imperial faction has had the SSD and the Onager released and made available (I could buy an Onager off the shelf if I wanted to, it's available here it's just the Starhawk that is MIA).

What this means for me is that in the future I am not going to bother pre-ordering anything from FFG as they are simply incapable of delivering anything in a reasonable timeframe. If they don't care about delivering to their players why should I care about keeping up interest in their game. Given the 2 year drought of content (the SSD & RitR are not sufficient content for 2 years of releases) most people I know who used to play Armada stopped, sold their collections and moved on to a game that was supported by the company who makes it.

FFG have lost a lot of Armada players with their lack of support for the line in general and even more specifically with their total mishandling of this release.

In May this year, if my memory serves, Armada is 5 years old. Or that was when I first tried it. Time flies.

For all this time Armada has suffered an almost universal string of delays, some so long they defy the imagination.

The failure to reprint I think is linked - limited production capacity.

I love the game, but this stuff has always grated. Fortunately I no longer care. I play a bit when new stuff hits, then leave it on the self for a year.

Negative?

Maybe. Or just a reaction to how things are.

23 hours ago, Petersaber said:

If you don't mind Polish, there's a Gladiator hidden in my local store for 30€ or less. If anyone is interested, I could check out the price this week and arrange something, or just send you a link if that store ships worldwide.

Nah, but thanks for the offer

On 2/10/2020 at 6:43 PM, gredert said:

I would buy the new releases if anyone in Canada had some at a reasonable price, but that doesn't seem to be the case from my searches. Just because I can afford the higher rate does not mean I will pay it, that is stupid for some plastic and paper...

Actually do what you said you would do and get this game in order, I should not have this much trouble buying your products, and I reiterate that I wont spend more by a large margin to get it, to buy from your store vs the ones I do business with would be at least 25% more per purchase before shipping costs and that's absurd. Especially when you factor in the cost creep of the newer waves. So before you get too deep into Clone Wars, how about you sort out the simple act of supplying the market?

The problem is not with FFG, the problem is that you have a chosen a hobby that is too expensive for you. I am sure I would find wine-collecting really fun, but I can’t afford it. I don’t complain about wine merchants, I simply recognize that it is out of my price range and decide to do something else with my time and money.

2 minutes ago, scipio83 said:

The problem is not with FFG, the problem is that you have a chosen a hobby that is too expensive for you. I am sure I would find wine-collecting really fun, but I can’t afford it. I don’t complain about wine merchants, I simply recognize that it is out of my price range and decide to do something else with my time and money.

Wait, should we start a wine thread? I've found some solid cheap wines that are really tasty. And, uh, sure, we'll tie it to a commander or whatever. Or an upgrade card.

18 hours ago, Green Knight said:

FFG took two negative traits during character generation (they also have very many positive traits):

- inefficient logistics (low supplies)

- constant delays (low fuel)

Disregard

2 hours ago, geek19 said:

Wait, should we start a wine thread? I've found some solid cheap wines that are really tasty. And, uh, sure, we'll tie it to a commander or whatever. Or an upgrade card.

I feel like we've already got our whine thread right here.

😋

2 hours ago, geek19 said:

Wait, should we start a wine thread? I've found some solid cheap wines that are really tasty. And, uh, sure, we'll tie it to a commander or whatever. Or an upgrade card.

Also, there's this great Star Wars wine: https://startrekwines.com/

Chateau Picard. I think he was from Alderaan or something. 😮