Μonra Kee, Minister Tua ,Grand Inquisitor and Coordinate

By topacesteve, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Hello, could we make a clarification, of how many max reinforce tokens can Morna Kee Gather from Tua, Inquisitor and Coordinate action from other ship (Reaper)?

Since you can only perform one Reinforce action per round and the cards you mention only allow to perform the action and not grant the token:

Round 1 - 1 reinforce token (- 1 charge)

Round 2 - 2 reinforce token (-2 charge)

Round 3 - 3 reinforce token (no charge left, so all are removed)

Round 4 - 1 reinforce token (as usual)

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Correct answer is:

Because her trigger is the End Phase and not the removal of one reinforce token and due to the rule of once per opportunity this means her ability can only trigger once.

This mean only a maximum of 2 reinforce token is possible starting with turn 2.

Edited by Singulativ
Should have read her ability before posting...

I mean Inquisitor (crew) on board the Decimator

8 minutes ago, topacesteve said:

I mean Inquisitor (crew) on board the Decimator

The Grand Inquisitor does not allow you to bypass the once-per-round restriction on performing a particular action. Same goes for Minister Tua.

1 hour ago, topacesteve said:

I mean Inquisitor (crew) on board the Decimator

Unless an ability specifically tells you that you can bypass this rule.. (rr pg 3)

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There is no maximum limit to the number of actions a ship can perform over the course of a round, but a ship cannot perform the same action more than once during a single round, or perform an action it has failed this round.

..then you are restricted to 1 reinforce action per round, no matter who or what grants you that action.

So far, the Only ability that slips by this rule, is Anakin (N1)
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.. because his ability text states specifically that its "not an action". So his ability allows him to barrel roll, but not perform a barrel roll action. In much the same way that an ability that allows you to "gain a focus token" is not 'performing a focus action'.

1 hour ago, Singulativ said:

Since you can only perform one Reinforce action per round and the cards you mention only allow to perform the action and not grant the token:

Round 1 - 1 reinforce token (- 1 charge)

Round 2 - 2 reinforce token (-2 charge)

Round 3 - 3 reinforce token (no charge left, so all are removed)

Round 4 - 1 reinforce token (as usual)

I don't think you can get up to three tokens. Morna Kee's ability only saves one token, and once-per-opportunity prevents you from using her ability twice in the same turn.

1 hour ago, topacesteve said:

Hello, could we make a clarification, of how many max reinforce tokens can Morna Kee Gather from Tua, Inquisitor and Coordinate action from other ship (Reaper)?

Two. One saved from last turn with Morna Kee's ability, one new token from performing the Reinforce action. These sources (Tua, Coordinate, Grand Inquisitor crew) all perform the action, and you can only perform each action once per turn.

4 minutes ago, Lyianx said:

Unless an ability specifically tells you that you can bypass this rule.. (rr pg 3)

..then you are restricted to 1 reinforce action per round, no matter who or what grants you that action.

So far, the Only ability that slips by this rule, is Anakin (N1)

.. because his ability text states specifically that its "not an action". So his ability allows him to barrel roll, but not perform a barrel roll action. In much the same way that an ability that allows you to "gain a focus token" is not 'performing a focus action'.

You're not wrong about effect, but I think you're describing it incorrectly.

Anakin is one of many pilots who has an ability which does a thing which is not an action. Zizi Tlo, Perceptive Copilot or the many double-calculate sources, Redline acquiring locks, and even any ship decloaking. A decloak is a kind of boost or barrel roll, but not a boost action or barrel roll action. It's exactly like Anakin.

The only unique thing about Anakin is the technically unnecessary text that spells out "this is not an action." He'd work exactly the same in terms of rules without that parenthetical text, since he uses the words "barrel roll" rather than the swirly-double-arrow of the Barrel Roll action symbol. It's probably wise to have that note on there to prevent any confusion, however.

Just wanted to include the point that "perform an action" means that you perform that action, while "gain a..." does not (in case anyone isn't aware of it). You can perform X [Focus, Evade, etc.] action once a turn, but are not limited to the number of tokens you can "gain".

1 hour ago, theBitterFig said:

I don't think you can get up to three tokens. Morna Kee's ability only saves one token, and once-per-opportunity prevents you from using her ability twice in the same turn.

If gaining multiple token provides a trigger for each one (e.g. stress) removing them should too.

Edited by Singulativ

No, her ability says: During the End Phase, you may spend 1 Icon charge to flip 1 of your reinforce tokens to your other full arc instead of removing it.

It says 1. You get to spend 1 charge per end phase. And it works on 1 token.

Meh, I thought it was triggered by removing a reinforce token and not just once during the End Phase. So a maximum 2 it is.

2 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

You're not wrong about effect, but I think you're describing it incorrectly.

Anakin is one of many pilots who has an ability which does a thing which is not an action. Zizi Tlo, Perceptive Copilot or the many double-calculate sources, Redline acquiring locks, and even any ship decloaking. A decloak is a kind of boost or barrel roll, but not a boost action or barrel roll action. It's exactly like Anakin.

The only unique thing about Anakin is the technically unnecessary text that spells out "this is not an action." He'd work exactly the same in terms of rules without that parenthetical text, since he uses the words "barrel roll" rather than the swirly-double-arrow of the Barrel Roll action symbol. It's probably wise to have that note on there to prevent any confusion, however.

I dont see how your explanation is any more/less incorrect than mine.

When a ship performs a Barrel roll Action, it Barrel rolls.

When a ship performs a focus Action, it gains a focus token.

It is the same. In both cases you follow the steps of the effect. The action leads to the effect. Anakin (as we both stated) is only telling you to do the Effect, not the action that Leads to the effect. Thus its not an action.

I agree, Anakin's text of (this is not an action) isnt mechanically necessary, but we ALL know there would be debates spark up if it was an action or not if they didnt put that clarification in. So yeah, im pretty sure it is there (as you say) specifically to avoid confusion.

1 hour ago, Lyianx said:

I dont see how your explanation is any more/less incorrect than mine.

When a ship performs a Barrel roll Action, it Barrel rolls.

When a ship performs a focus Action, it gains a focus token.

It is the same. In both cases you follow the steps of the effect. The action leads to the effect. Anakin (as we both stated) is only telling you to do the Effect, not the action that Leads to the effect. Thus its not an action.

I agree, Anakin's text of (this is not an action) isnt mechanically necessary, but we ALL know there would be debates spark up if it was an action or not if they didnt put that clarification in. So yeah, im pretty sure it is there (as you say) specifically to avoid confusion.

I guess it just struck me one way. Eh, no worries.