hey, ive been trying 3 aces, fun but hard.

I cant fly kylo if my life depended on it. .. So i was thinking about going back a bit to my old basic build

This is what i came upp with

Major Vonreg — TIE/Ba

Daredevil2

Ship Total: 59

Half Points: 30 Threshold: 2

Zeta Squadron Survivor — TIE/SF Fighter32

Concussion Missiles6

Ship Total: 38

Half Points: 19 Threshold: 3

Zeta Squadron Survivor — TIE/SF Fighter32

Concussion Missiles6

Ship Total: 38

Half Points: 19 Threshold: 3

“Scorch” — TIE/FO Fighter33

Fanatical2

Ship Total: 35

Half Points: 18 Threshold: 2

Lieutenant Rivas — TIE/FO Fighter27

Ship Total: 27

Half Points: 14 Threshold: 2

5 ships, 4 "exepndebel" And Major von reg.

What do u guys think? shall i keep the Missiles or give them Adv optics?

then it would look more like this

Major Vonreg — TIE/Ba Interceptor57

Daredevil2

Ship Total: 59

Half Points: 30 Threshold: 2

Zeta Squadron Survivor — TIE/SF Fighter32

Advanced Optics4

Ship Total: 36

Half Points: 18 Threshold: 3

Zeta Squadron Survivor — TIE/SF Fighter32

Advanced Optics4

Ship Total: 36

Half Points: 18 Threshold: 3

“Scorch” — TIE/FO Fighter33

Fanatical2

Advanced Optics4

Ship Total: 39

Half Points: 20 Threshold: 2

Lieutenant Rivas — TIE/FO Fighter27

Ship Total: 27

Half Points: 14 Threshold: 2

I worry that it'll be hard to use missiles on low-init SFs. Passive Sensors is a great option, if the points can be found for them. A few spots where points can be found (it'll probably need 2 out of the 4):

• Cutting bid. Always an option, but having even a small bid helps, IMHO.
• Maybe that's cutting Concussion Missiles for Ion Missiles. Adding control to a list is often handy, and it will represent more consistent damage against high-agility opponents than Advanced Optics would, but less pure punching power than Concussion.
• Swapping Scorch for Proud Tradition Muse. That saves 3 points, and creates a really interesting pilot. K-Turn or S-Loop, Focus, Clear Stress. Fly over Debris, Focus, Clear Stress. It's not quite as punchy as Scorch, but the Zetas got more punchy at long range with Passive Sensors, so the list balances out.
• Cutting Rivas. I like Rivas, I think he's a worthwhile 2-point upgrade over an Epsilon FO most of the time, but sometimes you just need the points elsewhere.

Of the two lists above specifically, I think I like Optics more, but I don't know if I'd put Optics on Scorch. They're already a nice easy early target, and that doesn't necessarily need to be sweetened. Maybe Rivas could become Proud Tradition Muse (leading to: Fanatical Scorch, Proud Muse, Daredevil Vonreg, 2x Optics Zetas, 2 point bid). The bid is a hair smaller, but Muse just seems really nice.

I really like the idea of accompanying Daredevil Vonreg with the mini-swarm.

2 Zetas with PS and Concs are LOVELY, and you can still get 2 TIEs. Could be Muse with Proud Tradition, and then an Epsilon for a s m a l l bid, or Rivas for no bid. Considering only Vonreg needs a bid at all, and he's I6 anyway, I would personally fill the squad more

How about this?

Major Vonreg (57)
Daredevil (2)

Ship total: 59 Half Points: 30 Threshold: 2

Lieutenant LeHuse (39)
Special Forces Gunner (10)

Ship total: 49 Half Points: 25 Threshold: 3

"Scorch" (33)
Ship total: 33 Half Points: 17 Threshold: 2

"Muse" (30)
Proud Tradition (2)

Ship total: 32 Half Points: 16 Threshold: 2

Lieutenant Rivas (27)
Ship total: 27 Half Points: 14 Threshold: 2


Total: 200

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0: https://raithos.github.io/?f=First Order&d=v8ZsZ200Z381X117WWWY397XWWW182WWY262XWWY235X319WWY265XW&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=

You get Vonreg, 1 SF and 3 FOs. You have the lieutenant combo, which can trigger off of Vonreg, and then the other 2 FOs are very efficient by themselves, and can sometimes even combo decently with eachother.

My take:

BAd 2 the bone

(57) Major Vonreg [TIE/ba Interceptor]
(2) Daredevil
Points: 59

(39) Lieutenant LeHuse [TIE/sf Fighter]
(10) Special Forces Gunner
Points: 49

(33) "Scorch" [TIE/fo Fighter]
Points: 33

(27) Lieutenant Rivas [TIE/fo Fighter]
Points: 27

(25) Epsilon Squadron Cadet [TIE/fo Fighter]
Points: 25

Total points: 193

I like where this is going.

Here's another take on it:

Major Vonreg (57)
Daredevil (2)
Points: 59

"Scorch" (33)
Fanatical (2)
Points: 35

Muse (30)
Fanatical (2)
Points: 32

Zeta Squadron Survivor (32)
Advanced Optics (4)
Points: 36

Zeta Squadron Survivor (32)
Advanced Optics (4)
Points: 36

Total points: 198

Holo would be another ship that could be swapped in for Vonreg to allow even more stress swapping shenanigans.

This is what I am trying next:

(45) "Quickdraw" [TIE/sf Fighter]
(10) Special Forces Gunner
(6) Shield Upgrade
(2) Fire-Control System
(2) Fanatical
Points: 65

(33) "Scorch" [TIE/fo Fighter]
(2) Fanatical
(4) Advanced Optics
Points: 39

(32) Zeta Squadron Survivor [TIE/sf Fighter]
Points: 32

(32) Zeta Squadron Survivor [TIE/sf Fighter]
Points: 32

(32) Zeta Squadron Survivor [TIE/sf Fighter]
Points: 32

Total points: 200

I put the turrets on the Zetas facing backwards and just let them go. They run around pinging things in front or in back and only cost me 32 points when they die. No bid, but I still get to roll for it a bit in my playgroup. Qe will see...

16 hours ago, Parrottbrian said:

(45) "Quickdraw" [TIE/sf Fighter]
(10) Special Forces Gunner
(6) Shield Upgrade
(2) Fire-Control System
(2) Fanatical
Points: 65

Have you? Or will you try Regen QuickDraw? You can easily fit FO-regen if you swap out some upgrades.

During my next game night, I'll be trying out regen on my 2x TieBAs. I doubt they're worth it.

One thing is for sure, Daredevil should be stapled to TieBAs.

My current lists for FO is:

"Holo" (54)
Ship total: 54 Half Points: 27 Threshold: 2

Zeta Squadron Survivor (32)
Ship total: 32 Half Points: 16 Threshold: 3

Zeta Squadron Survivor (32)
Ship total: 32 Half Points: 16 Threshold: 3

Zeta Squadron Survivor (32)
Ship total: 32 Half Points: 16 Threshold: 3

Epsilon Squadron Cadet (25)
Ship total: 25 Half Points: 13 Threshold: 2

Epsilon Squadron Cadet (25)
Ship total: 25 Half Points: 13 Threshold: 2


Total: 200

Or

Major Vonreg (57)
Daredevil (2)

Ship total: 59 Half Points: 30 Threshold: 2

Omega Squadron Expert (34)
Ship total: 34 Half Points: 17 Threshold: 3

Omega Squadron Expert (34)
Ship total: 34 Half Points: 17 Threshold: 3

Omega Squadron Expert (34)
Ship total: 34 Half Points: 17 Threshold: 3

Omega Squadron Expert (34)
Ship total: 34 Half Points: 17 Threshold: 3


Total: 195

I'm not sure what's better, more hull and attacks but no bid for holo, or one less ship but a ok bid with vonreg, I'm not sure