The Mists of Releh Spell says Casting Modifier special & the wording says cast & exhaust to pass an Evade check. The casting modifier is equal to the monster's Awareness. Does this mean you have to roll for your Lore while reducing it by the monster's Awareness total.
Mists of Releh Spell
Yes it does. Instead of "Sneak" with this spell you gain the ability to pass monsters with your "Lore"-attribute.
spell attribute, not lore attribute.
Yes, you're right. My mistake.
Essentially the spell says: "use your Lore as basis for Evade check." The way to fail the check is to fail the "Evade" roll. What it does not say is that if you fail to cast Mists, you may attempt a normal Sneak-based Evade check immediately afterward. So, at least you have a backup plan.
There is also a spell to use Lore as your Horror check (Markings of Isis: CotDP) and one where Lore is Fight (Storm of Spirits, KiY). Though the former requires one hand's use and the latter requires both but gives a +3, making it a "weapon" in its own right.
Tibs said:
Essentially the spell says: "use your Lore as basis for Evade check." The way to fail the check is to fail the "Evade" roll. What it does not say is that if you fail to cast Mists, you may attempt a normal Sneak-based Evade check immediately afterward. So, at least you have a backup plan.
There is also a spell to use Lore as your Horror check (Markings of Isis: CotDP) and one where Lore is Fight (Storm of Spirits, KiY). Though the former requires one hand's use and the latter requires both but gives a +3, making it a "weapon" in its own right.
What? You can attempt an additional evade check if you fail Mists of Releh? Really?
Yes, but that was one of those rulings that was clarified "on the old forums." I can't scrounge up a link to it.
Tibs said:
Yes, but that was one of those rulings that was clarified "on the old forums." I can't scrounge up a link to it.
Hrm... We should get it clarified in the FAQ then...
This sounds strange because it implies that failing the spell is not failing the evade test (but you suceed it it if the spell is a success). Really disturbing...
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and the cost is 0 SAN... that makes this double evade check even stranger to me.
Well, the way I see it is that you're trying to cast a spell to summon mists to shroud you. Failing that, you're on your own to conceal yourself.
It makes perfect sense, if you fail the spell you arent hidden to the monster but you can then attempt to sneak by it (using a much lower stat in most cases).
The spell gives you a an automatic success on an evade check if the spell is in effect.
Without that automatic success (if the spell failed), you are entitled to attempt to get a normal sneak sucess.
Basicly the spell does not force you to fail an evade check you havent rolled with the way it is worded.
I think thats fine and doesnt make it over powered, I think it gives ill favored investigators like Dexter a chance to enter guarded gates with more ease (he also has a decent sneak stat for short distance travel).
A FAQ ruling could prove me wrong, but this (to me) seems to be the indended effect of the spell.
looking for 2 small confirmations:
(1) if Yibb-Tstll is the Ancient One, you still only need 1 success for Mists of Releh right?
(2) if there's an environemnt "-1 to sneak checks" that doesn't change the monster's awareness for the purpose of Mists of Releh right?
Just want to be sure.
Seems right, though I'm no authority.
(Huh, so I suppose this "can still attempt the check if you fail" thing applies to Markings of Isis too then...I would have been really excited if it applied to Storm of Spirits, but I guess they made a point of wording that one differently.)
(1) Yes, because it's a Spell Check.
(2) No, because it's a Spell Check.
That's the beauty of the Mists of Releh: it takes the lousy Sneak stat out of a spellcaster's Sneak sitch. (Same with Markings of Isis.)
(KROEN)
My immediate response for both was "no," but then I looked them over and I'm thinking "yes."
(1) Evade checks require 2 successes, but casting a spell is not an Evade check, so I'd say you only need one. One of my favorite spells just got better!
(2) I'd say you're right on that. Sneak isn't related to monster Awareness, except when making an Evade check against a monster. As I said above, you're not making an Evade check, just a Spell check that determines whether or not you pass the Evade check without actually having to make it.
Just my two cents anyway.
(Thanks a lot, quote function.)