52 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

So that is only I1 pilots for Rex and Zeb, and I1-I2 pilots for Sabine and Ezra. I'm not seeing how this would be powerful. Without a crew slot or Ahsoka's ability, it doesn't seem super strong. I am open to being wrong, though.

As @ClassicalMoser says above, that's kind of the point.

At the moment there's no pilot it would be good on, so it's not worth printing because it would never be used... and even if it was , it's only effect would be to encourage people to run more aces and less lower-initiative generics that might not be able to shoot at a Captured TIE. Given that they are actively trying to make low-initiative generics relevant again, I don't foresee FFG printing such a card.

But if we ever get a pilot that it would be good on (eg. Ahsoka comes back at i4 or i5), then it can't be printed because it would too powerful.

There's also the problem of theme to consider. Even in First Edition, it didn't make a lot of sense for a Scum squad to not want to shoot at a TIE Fighter, and it made even less sense for another Rebel squad to not want to shoot at it. Nowadays it would make no sense at all for a Republic, Separatist, Resistance or First Order squad to not want to shoot at a Rebel TIE Fighter pretending to be an Imperial one.

1 hour ago, DR4CO said:

Nowadays it would make no sense at all for a Republic, Separatist, Resistance or First Order squad to not want to shoot at a Rebel TIE Fighter pretending to be an Imperial one.

Fair point. But Poe flying a T70 against Obi-Wan Kenobi doesn't make any sense either.

Ezra in Tie is cheapest way to get sense in Rebels, that alone makes it kinda usefull

Sabine with Composure was really fun. Extremely nimble and very hard to hit. That combo doesn't work anymore, so who knows. Maybe just slap Crack Shot on her, and turn her into a more mobile but less disruptive Seevor?

12 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

Mostly, I've got friends who really love the old video games. There's enough folks whose favorite ship is the Gunboat, who would probably really love to have missions based on the games.

Have I got good news for your friends!

11 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

Personally, I’m glad that abhorrent thing is gone. Call me old-fashoned, but it should have never been what it was, or even is. Salt. Salt. Pepper to taste.

now, if we’re wanting to cry about something from 1.0 that didn’t make the transition but should have, let’s talk something fun, cool, star-warsy

To each their own. No need to hate. Gunboat was named above, and actually there are a number of Gunboat haters here, but they leave it be. There are people here who like strange characters from obscure EU books and comics, old RPG and card games, stuff from by today ancient video games and there are people who like fielding authentic Star wars Rebels stuff or battles. To each their own, let us enjoy Star wars content by shoving plastic toys around to pew-pew noises

1st Edition incarnation was a bit unbalanced, for sure. But there were a lot worse offenders.

Early 2nd edition when both were a lot cheaper Sabine with Trick shot was fantastic. Either as crazy mobile flanker harassing lower Ini, or blocking the highly mobile high Ini aces with her pre move and having at least a minimal chance to self survive the block by having a Focus and 3 green.

She was a bit too cheap, but the first increase was too much and killed her off. Stupid Rebel Han (that ability should absolutely have been charge based!) caused the increase of Trick Shot which ruined the talent for everyone.

Now where is my orange juice.

12 hours ago, clanofwolves said:

Carnor Jax.

Who?

16 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

My pitch for campaign sets:

Five of them: Clone Wars; Rebels/Rogue One/Solo; Original Trilogy; Sequel Trilogy; Legends (Maarek Stele video game stuff, Corran Horn and Rogue Squadron stuff, Thrawn stuff).

• They'd have pilots and upgrades like the Hotshots and Aces pack.
  • Possibly include also stuff which is scenario-only (and not Hyperspace or Extended), like inappropriate pilots in the TIE Defender.
• They'd have missions/scenarios like the Epic Battles kit.
  • Probably some of it would be ongoing campaign, as opposed to one-offs.
• Possibly (but not necessarily) include alternate paint jobs.
  • Models can be nice, but it also means that it'd be a much more expensive proposition.
  • Would I rather pay $40 with a model, or $25 without?
  • Honestly, $25; I already have enough of most ships...

I like all the calls for more campaign stuff. I get that.

I just don't get the constantly lumping of Rogue One as not being OT. It is the prologue for the OT. Except for Jyn as a kid that pile of meh is about a day, (two?) ahead of Ep. IV. It basically ends a few hours, if that, before the start of Episode IV. You could edit from where the Rebel soldier is waiting for the download and Vader arrives to the beginning of Ep. IV (well if it weren't for all the shaky-cam) as a Bond style prologue: "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..." Trooper pulls the data disk out, runs, Vader goes to town, Leia escapes, Main Theme Star Wars logo, opening scroll.

Please do not stuff Rogue One in with a Rebels/Lothal animated campaign sort of thing.

14 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I just don't get the constantly lumping of Rogue One as not being OT.

Mostly because it isn't OT. Long gap between 1983 and 2016.

But hey, neither of us is going to be in charge of designing or publishing these campaigns, so agree to disagree.

15 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

But then you’d never pay for it. Either it’s totally useless or it’s insanely OP.

I think that's the issue. It's insanely initiative-specific, much like the 1e Advanced Cloaking Device.

The TIE fighter has struggled a bit. Sabine is nice - because of her mobility and cost - and I think Ezra has some mileage carrying Sense in a block-happy swarm. The two of them - Sabine with Initimidation and Ezra with Sense - is a nice pairing as blockers, in fact, and doesn't break the bank.

Sabine's Masterpiece....hm. The issue is that now the Sheathiepede is a cheap crew carrier that's probably better so it's hard to imagine taking the upgrade if it did what it used to.

Ahsoka never flew the TIE - but then neither did Rex, so I've no specific problem with Ahsoka as a pilot. I'm not sure if I'd give her a direct copy of her Clone Wars ability - rebels already get mutual supporting actions a-go-go, but it'd be nice to see her! Giving rebels another cheap force-using pilot is probably a good thing.

23 hours ago, topacesteve said:

What happened to the excellent 1st Edition upgrades? Captures Tie and Sabines masterpiece were the true essence of flying this ship.

FFG please bring them back asap!!!

Back, to the topic:

As others have said, the original title would be not necessarily OP, but NPE. However, just as Biggs was similarly considered OP/NPE, Biggs was brought into 2.0 with an altered ability, and I think the same could happen with the "Captured Tie" title.

There are several posibilities, but my favorite would be:

"Setup: place 3-5 charges on this card. While there is at least one charge on the title you cannot perform an attack and you cannot be the target of an attack from a ship of lover intiative than your self. At I0, if there is any charge on the title, remove exactly 1 charge from this card."

It would be similar to starting in reserve, just you are a super blocker/coordinator, except high init can shoot at you, if they want to, that is.

4 hours ago, JJ48 said:

Who?

He is the guy I would offer up instead of soontir (seems only fitting he is wearing a red shirt)

On 1/21/2020 at 4:55 PM, Blail Blerg said:

what? OP? Never seen it that bad.

They really don't have a need in 2e. Like a lot of ships.

Why play Decimators when you can play.... anything else for better value?

I agree. Maybe ps-9 Ashoka was OP at table 500 but she’d never make it past harpooon missile Boost ps 11 Vader and RAC at table 200 in 1.0.

Captured tie can stay in 1.0 but I would like to see illicit or a title that brings back the emp mechanic (fly into enemy, ion everything).

I would love to see a Elite Skill on CAPTAIN Rex, give him a Snapshot and let his ability work!

I also wouldn't mind a new Pilot, Ahsoka, with her Republic Ability and 2 Force. PS4 would be fine I guess, 5 or 6 is dangerous.

4 hours ago, Dragon_King said:

I would love to see a Elite Skill on CAPTAIN Rex, give him a Snapshot and let his ability work!

Wow, that actually sounds like a decent reason to run Rex. A bit expensive, but it might makes his ability useful.

On 1/22/2020 at 1:29 AM, clanofwolves said:

Carnor Jax.

(mic drop)

Hold on, gonna grab you some more mics...

On 1/22/2020 at 6:08 AM, Frimmel said:

I like all the calls for more campaign stuff. I get that.

I just don't get the constantly lumping of Rogue One as not being OT. It is the prologue for the OT. Except for Jyn as a kid that pile of meh is about a day, (two?) ahead of Ep. IV. It basically ends a few hours, if that, before the start of Episode IV. You could edit from where the Rebel soldier is waiting for the download and Vader arrives to the beginning of Ep. IV (well if it weren't for all the shaky-cam) as a Bond style prologue: "A long time ago in a galaxy far far away..." Trooper pulls the data disk out, runs, Vader goes to town, Leia escapes, Main Theme Star Wars logo, opening scroll.

Please do not stuff Rogue One in with a Rebels/Lothal animated campaign sort of thing.

Is there a reason you're throwing shade at Rebels?

1 hour ago, KCDodger said:

Is there a reason you're throwing shade at Rebels?

I enjoy and probably downright love "Rebels." I'm throwing shade at Rogue One. I don't want a Rebels campaign to be saddled with Jyn and Cassian.

3 hours ago, Frimmel said:

I enjoy and probably downright love "Rebels." I'm throwing shade at Rogue One. I don't want a Rebels campaign to be saddled with Jyn and Cassian.

Oh, okay. Got'cha. I also throw shade at Rogue One... But the two are tied together really hard so...

1 minute ago, KCDodger said:

Oh, okay. Got'cha. I also throw shade at Rogue One... But the two are tied together really hard so...

I think it is more there isn't any story for Jyn and Cassian after their prologue to the OT.

On 1/21/2020 at 8:29 PM, clanofwolves said:

... let’s talk something fun, cool, star-warsy and good but not OP, let’s talk:

Carnor Jax.

(mic drop)

2 hours ago, Prosk_019 said:

Hold on, gonna grab you some more mics...

For Carnor, there simply aren’t enough mics.

On 1/21/2020 at 1:33 PM, ClassicalMoser said:

They were NPE ...

Sorry for the asside, what does this stand for? In other threads I assumed New Player Experience but that doesn't make sense in this context.

3 minutes ago, Henshini said:

Sorry for the asside, what does this stand for? In other threads I assumed New Player Experience but that doesn't make sense in this context.

Negative Play Experience.

Your enemy having a support ship you literally could not attack was pretty awkward and unfun.