So was playing with the reduced tie fighter points costs while also thinking how to deal with an Ace list. This is what I've came up with:

Captain Oicunn (74)
Intimidation (3)
Admiral Sloane (9)
Death Troopers (6)
Dauntless (4)

Black Squadron Ace (25)
Crack Shot (1)
Black Squadron Ace (25)
Crack Shot (1)
Black Squadron Ace (25)
Crack Shot (1)
Black Squadron Ace (25)
Crack Shot (1)
Total: 200

My first variant was with RAC instead w/ ruthless and w/o troopers and with 5 academy's instead of the 4 Blacks. I've tested both lists once so far against a resistance list with Poe and 3 more T70s. Both deci lists did really well but the Oicunn lists seemed much stronger, with troopers actually causing a headache for my opponent. My opponent was pretty new to the game however so the potential feels pretty good but hard to say for sure. Anyways what are thoughts on this list? Do you think it will have any real game against triple ace lists flown by experienced players? Would it have game against non ace lists?

You may want to take a look at this game : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34wHVrhxdeY&t=59s

Patrol leader death troopers, sloane, hull upgrade + 5 academies vs 4 Delta 7 .

Old point value, but should be similar to what you are trying.

I think Ruthless on those BSAs would give you more value than Crack! Multi-use = more potential, easy to use = more impact.

As for Oicunn, I think Intimidation, Dauntless, and 5th Bro is the way to go! Mods to hit like a truck, and Hyperspace legal if you're interested, though you could definitely trade 5Bro for Sloane!

@Jaysnipesinc , here is my list. Lean and mean! 😜 it’s amazing.

Outer Rim Patrol

(76) Rear Admiral Chiraneau [VT-49 Decimator]
(9) Admiral Sloane
(1) Ruthless
(4) Dauntless
Points: 90

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

Total points: 200

5 hours ago, Greebwahn said:

I think Ruthless on those BSAs would give you more value than Crack! Multi-use = more potential, easy to use = more impact.

As for Oicunn, I think Intimidation, Dauntless, and 5th Bro is the way to go! Mods to hit like a truck, and Hyperspace legal if you're interested, though you could definitely trade 5Bro for Sloane!

Yeah, Admiral Sloan was the card i built this list around. I do love flying Deci's though so I'm not sure what list I'd bring to fly a deci in hyperspace yet. Prolly wouldn't include a swarm at all, but in hyperspace I would definitely include a 5bro, even if I was flying RAC.

I dont like using ruthless to boost tie fighter shots since half the time you're still capped at 2 red dice. 2 reds get canceled often enough that I don't find ruthless to be reliable on tie fighters, especially considering the cost.

51 minutes ago, JBFancourt said:

@Jaysnipesinc , here is my list. Lean and mean! 😜 it’s amazing.

Outer Rim Patrol

(76) Rear Admiral Chiraneau [VT-49 Decimator]
(9) Admiral Sloane
(1) Ruthless
(4) Dauntless
Points: 90

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

Total points: 200

That was my exact first list building a deci swarm around Sloan. And I do agree, this type of list has been doing surprisingly well and is fun to play. As for the 5 academy's vs 4 blacks, this might be dependent on local meta, I've found the i3 on blacks to be worth it since it also allows room for 4 crackshots and death troopers as well. Theres a lot of cheap generic fillers and other swarm players that it's super nice to shoot first. My current variation I've been running is back to using RAC w/ ruthless, Sloan, and death troopers with 4 blacks running crackshot.

On 1/23/2020 at 11:40 PM, JBFancourt said:

@Jaysnipesinc , here is my list. Lean and mean! 😜 it’s amazing.

Outer Rim Patrol

(76) Rear Admiral Chiraneau [VT-49 Decimator]
(9) Admiral Sloane
(1) Ruthless
(4) Dauntless
Points: 90

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

Total points: 200

It seems very fun!

How do you fly this list? Is Ruthless worthy?

5 hours ago, Rubales said:

It seems very fun!

How do you fly this list? Is Ruthless worthy?

This is the ONLY build I’ve found Ruthless to be effective.

Generally I want to set up an engagement where they have to give up range to shoot Deci. Range 2 on ties or range 3 on Deci or 1/2 etc.

With his title, RAC is great at just hovering in spot by bumping his own swarm.

I fly 3 wide, 2 in the slot, RAC behind:

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I’m wanting to experiment with a circling Deci shooting from his sides but haven’t yet. That’s how I normally fly him. I consider it failure if I ever have to rotate his guns lol.

My absolute favorite thing is how it LOOKS on the table tho. Sooo good. Movie quality.

I hear the imperial march mr Frodo

I tested this today and was a complete success! although there was a lot of confusion and bumping ships... Next time I will try to separate the swarm and the deci to try some flanks 😉

It’s good!!!

Although RAC is great, I'm thinking about replacing him with a patrol leader, with seventh sister aboard. Maybe I can use her tractor ability, or the force...

What do you think about it?

TIE/ln Fighter: Academy Pilot (22)

TIE/ln Fighter: Academy Pilot (22)

TIE/ln Fighter: Academy Pilot (22)

TIE/ln Fighter: Academy Pilot (22)

TIE/ln Fighter: Academy Pilot (22)

VT-49: Patrol Leader (67 + 22)
+ Admiral Sloane (9)
+ Seventh Sister (9)
+ Dauntless (4)

The damage output is just too good on RAC. The Decimator needs desperately to reinforce which means you have no offense mods and hit like a wet noodle. The reroll + RAC ability + Ruthless hits HARD.

7th Sis does not compensate for what you lose.

5 hours ago, JBFancourt said:

The damage output is just too good on RAC. The Decimator needs desperately to reinforce which means you have no offense mods and hit like a wet noodle. The reroll + RAC ability + Ruthless hits HARD.

7th Sis does not compensate for what you lose.

I fully agree and 2nd this. I tried running Oicunn for a few games and just losing out on the free focus was more then noticable. The deci as the anchor needs to survive as long as possible and for having 16 hp it goes down surprisingly quick without reinforce. Which means Oicunn wasnt spending an action to modify dice whereas RAC with 3 single die mods is a very consistent damage output.

Heheh. Already had the Decimator painted. Supposed to be stylized after a 1940s police car. It’s all high gloss so it looks like car paint. Light flashes. 😜

Wanted my mini swarm to match.... 😁

How about this:

Decimator miniswarm

(74) Captain Oicunn [VT-49 Decimator]
(9) Admiral Sloane
(6) Death Troopers
(1) Ruthless
Points: 90

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

Total points: 200

How viable would this be for Hyperspace? Or, is RAC more suitable for a three- or four-ship list in that format?

MaaRAC

(76) Rear Admiral Chiraneau [VT-49 Decimator]
(9) Seventh Sister
(1) Ruthless
Points: 86

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(22) Academy Pilot [TIE/ln Fighter]
Points: 22

(45) Maarek Stele [TIE Advanced x1]
(2) Fire-Control System
(1) Ruthless
Points: 48

Total points: 200