3 hours ago, stev said:Do you think Agate could be a solid commander for an assault frigate A with paragon and giving it a salvo token?
Paragon won't work with salvo because it is "add a die".
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1 hour ago, Green Knight said:If it had a native Salvo instead of Evade, rather than eating up WPN slot and making you take the AF2A... it's not really bad, but I don't think it will be that good.
If only the AF2A had 3 squadron value like the B, I thnk it'd be an excellent squad support ship with Gallant Haven and Heavy Fire Zone. Unfortunately, I think the AF2A's overwhelming mediocrity will keep it from achieving anything great.
10 minutes ago, vercingex said:If only the AF2A had 3 squadron value like the B, I thnk it'd be an excellent squad support ship with Gallant Haven and Heavy Fire Zone. Unfortunately, I think the AF2A's overwhelming mediocrity will keep it from achieving anything great.
Probably. But at least Paragon and LFC makes the AFmk2A okay. Not stellar, but an okay filler ship that isn’t just embarrassing.
AFmk2B already wasn’t embarrassing. It just isn’t great. LFC helps it as well
2 hours ago, flatpackhamster said:Both sides could, IMO, do with an admiral that benefits squadrons. The rebels are crying out for a medium base ship too.
We have Sloane and Rieekan but both mostly affect aces, two solid Admirals each that work with the Generics would be nice! Big ditto on a rebel medium ship, just for list versatility
35 minutes ago, spike2109 said:Paragon won't work with salvo because it is "add a die".
Correct, it will work on all shots taken after the salvo though.
Opponent shots you first at medium range, you throw back 2 red, 1 blue. (salvo)
Now you activate and shot a ship that you've already shot, shoot side arc 3 red, 1 blue, 1 black.. and so on
Ah yeah you are correct this way, it's an attack.
4 minutes ago, Church14 said:Probably. But at least Paragon and LFC makes the AFmk2A okay. Not stellar, but an okay filler ship that isn’t just embarrassing.
AFmk2B already wasn’t embarrassing. It just isn’t great. LFC helps it as well
Totally agree on your second point. I hope you're right on the first point. But AFmk2A with Salvo does look fun as ****, even if it isn't fantastic. Something like this, maybe?
Assault Frigate Mk2 A (81)
• Local Fire Control (4)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• Linked Turbolaser Towers (7)
• Paragon (5)
= 104 Points
Add Walex Blissex or Officer Agate to spice.
12 minutes ago, vercingex said:Totally agree on your second point. I hope you're right on the first point. But AFmk2A with Salvo does look fun as ****, even if it isn't fantastic. Something like this, maybe?
Assault Frigate Mk2 A (81)
• Local Fire Control (4)
• Electronic Countermeasures (7)
• Linked Turbolaser Towers (7)
• Paragon (5)
= 104 PointsAdd Walex Blissex or Officer Agate to spice.
I ran the AFmk2B with that build. It did solid. LTTs really helps when you reroll 3 different red dice a turn. It also makes a potential flak shot painful in a pinch.
Im not sure that I would bother with an officer in that build. Certainly not Walex.
2 hours ago, Green Knight said:If it had a native Salvo instead of Evade, rather than eating up WPN slot and making you take the AF2A... it's not really bad, but I don't think it will be that good.
For a ugly Space Potato its pretty good! 😋
Has anyone gotten their goodies yet today? I am going after work to pick mine up. 4:30 can’t get here fast enough although a spicy tuna roll is helping kill the time.
On 1/26/2020 at 2:45 PM, Rmcarrier1 said:
Wow! I wasn't expecting that; I'm even more excited for it now.
I bet a Kuat ISD wouldn't mind taking LFC. It'd definitely prefer OE, but if you have rerolls somewhere else, it could be decent.
50 minutes ago, ianediger said:I bet a Kuat ISD wouldn't mind taking LFC. It'd definitely prefer OE, but if you have rerolls somewhere else, it could be decent.
Yeah. Seems like ISD1 and ISDk can take LFC without really hurting. ISD2 and ISDc really want that gunnery team though. I’d need a good explanation why LFC over GT for those
Man, no love for the Assault Frigate? Not only is she beautiful, she’s effective... and inexpensive! But I’ll happily debate that in another thread. For now, a question:
I got the new ships today, and was a little confused by a passage in the Onager rules. It’s a bullet point that appears under the heading, “Special Battery Armament, Special Firing Arc:”
“Each special firing arc is associated with the hull zone it is located in.”
I’m not sure what they mean, exactly, by “associated with” (and increasingly I’m thinking FFG needs to hire some technical writers), but I read that passage, and then looked at Spinal Armament: “The battery armaments for your front and rear hull zones are increased by 1 red die.”
Now, my initial impression is that they didn’t intend to have cards like Spinals enhance superweapon arcs. But is the phrase “associated with” meant to imply that Spinals DO enhance the superweapon?
11 minutes ago, Cpt ObVus said:Man, no love for the Assault Frigate? Not only is she beautiful, she’s effective... and inexpensive! But I’ll happily debate that in another thread. For now, a question:
I got the new ships today, and was a little confused by a passage in the Onager rules. It’s a bullet point that appears under the heading, “Special Battery Armament, Special Firing Arc:”
“Each special firing arc is associated with the hull zone it is located in.”
I’m not sure what they mean, exactly, by “associated with” (and increasingly I’m thinking FFG needs to hire some technical writers), but I read that passage, and then looked at Spinal Armament: “The battery armaments for your front and rear hull zones are increased by 1 red die.”
Now, my initial impression is that they didn’t intend to have cards like Spinals enhance superweapon arcs. But is the phrase “associated with” meant to imply that Spinals DO enhance the superweapon?
No.
Because Spinals enhances the Front arc. Specifically, it adds a battery die to the front arc.
You do not gather dice from there for the Superweapon though, as it also states in the rules that you gather them from the Special Battery Arc's collection.
All the association does, effectively, is mean a Superweapon shot associated with the Front arc,means you've already used your Front Arc to shoot, and your second shot will have to be from elsewhere (lest you have gunnery teams).
The writing is technical enough, you just gotta pull it *all* in rather than isolated sentences 
2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:All the association does, effectively, is mean a Superweapon shot associated with the Front arc,means you've already used your Front Arc to shoot, and your second shot will have to be from elsewhere (lest you have gunnery teams).
The writing is technical enough, you just gotta pull it *all* in rather than isolated sentences
Ok. That makes sense. My gut was telling me that the Ignition attacks shouldn’t be enhanced by standard upgrades.
They could have (should have, hence my criticism) just said, as you did, that if you fire from the Ignition arc, you cannot also make a standard front arc shot.
In any event, thanks for the clarification!
48 minutes ago, Cpt ObVus said:Ok. That makes sense. My gut was telling me that the Ignition attacks shouldn’t be enhanced by standard upgrades.
They could have (should have, hence my criticism) just said, as you did, that if you fire from the Ignition arc, you cannot also make a standard front arc shot.
In any event, thanks for the clarification!
Well this way it’s more future proofed to other potentials.
One could easily imagine an SSD bvase sized malevolence with specials straddling the two side arc lines
44 minutes ago, Cpt ObVus said:Ok. That makes sense. My gut was telling me that the Ignition attacks shouldn’t be enhanced by standard upgrades.
They could have (should have, hence my criticism) just said, as you did, that if you fire from the Ignition arc, you cannot also make a standard front arc shot.
In any event, thanks for the clarification!
For the most part, these writers take care to make their language future and past proof. Wording it as you did either removes the ability to use gunnery teams and advanced gunnery or requires defining “standard” as an Armada rules term.
Also, the way it is worded leaves it open for future ships to have Ignition arcs in any hull zone while not having to change the rules for an Ignition attack.
They put a fair bit of thought into the wording.
9 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:Man, no love for the Assault Frigate? Not only is she beautiful, she’s effective... and inexpensive! But I’ll happily debate that in another thread. For now, a question:
Oh I love that potatoe. I have a salvo list for prime, maybe I will try it.
6 hours ago, spike2109 said:Oh I love that potatoe. I have a salvo list for prime, maybe I will try it.
Watch your prime, though - turns out these didn't get released in time for the Portland one on the 8th (needs 11 days to be legal, this has only been 8), so anything running this weekend or next won't see them.
46 minutes ago, xanderf said:Watch your prime, though - turns out these didn't get released in time for the Portland one on the 8th (needs 11 days to be legal, this has only been 8), so anything running this weekend or next won't see them.
No problem, in germany the Onager is official since yesterday.
1 hour ago, spike2109 said:No problem, in germany the Onager is official since yesterday.
That may or may not be true - by the rules, tournament legality is based on the published NA release date.
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/OP/Legality/SW/
QuoteAll product is legal in North America 11 days—typically the second Monday—after the product's official release. This allows players at these high-profile tournaments sufficient time to acquire and prepare with each new release. (Includes National, European, North American, and World Championships)
Still, there is the note:
QuotePlayers outside of North America should contact their organizer to determine the legality of recent product releases.
...so either way, I'd check with your TO before making assumptions. It could go either way.
Hmm... SSD With Local Fire Control for even more nasty attacks...
The detailing on the Starhawk model is outstanding.....
https://imgur.com/gallery/cUbfiur
Edited by Maturin44 minutes ago, Maturin said:The detailing on the Starhawk model is outstanding.....
Definitely highlights one of the weirdest (game-)design decisions FFG made.
That? Totes speed 2.
Feels like....hmmmmm....SPEED 3!!! SO MUCH ENGINE!!!