Is FFG pulling away from starwars

By player3691565, in Star Wars: Armada

4 hours ago, BrobaFett said:

Without a true ISBN number Barnes and Noble cannot purchase Armada stock, and it appears that the only non-wave 2 or earlier products with a true ISBN are the campaigns. This is, of course, based off me physically checking with Barnes and Nobel and confirming yep, nothing released after ISD/MC80 or Rogues and Villains other than the campaign even listed on their stock list. So this seems, essentially, like a complete over blow of the situation.

B&N will severely discount their stock, but that is their prerogative and why FFG shifted to the "protect the FLGS" sales model which included shutting retailers like B&N out of purchasing stock through their ISBN agreements and disallowing those huge price cuts to continue on new stock. FFG may have made huge missteps the last few years that are pretty indefensible, but to say they pandered to B&N at the expense of FLGS' is just misinformation. If anything, the critical way they failed FLGS' is FFGOP's complete inability to function on any sort of level that would help their games to flourish and foster game communities. But FFGOP and FFG are 2 different entities.



Yea, I was talking about the past year of X-Wing Releases , which have been shucked by B&N either early, discounted, or both.

Including the most recent Wave 6 expansions, which debuted at B&N last week and aren't expected to hit anywhere else until the end of this week or possibly next. For instance:


I don't know what you think FFG's "protect the gamestore" strategy or policy entails, @BrobaFett , but this is not the first time B&N has violated the official street date release with X-Wing Products and it's still happening as of this past week's newest wave... so... ? And when B&N released the X-Wing Clone Wars stuff (whatever wave that was), it was available effectively at 50% off of MSRP with the BOGO promotion they were running, so not sure what "disallowed price cuts" you are referring to... ??? This isn't some fluke... as B&N has been at this for the past few X-Wing releases, and FFG/Asmodee certainly hasn't appeared to deny them the right to order product or anything like that...

So, I think the burden of proof that FFG is "protecting gamestores" is on you... what policies does FFG have in place? What incentive is FFG providing to buy from the FLGS? Bear in mind, FFG has recently starting offering excluisve promos for some games if you preorder directly from FFG/Asmodee themselves (e.g. LotR), and every FLGS owner I've talked absolutely despises Alliance (the distributor FFG/Asmodee uses), since the minimum purchase order is burdensomely high and since it seems that often when their is a stock shortage, big box stores with huge orders get their product first and small FLGSes just looking to order a few copies of each new thing gets the shaft.

Edited by AllWingsStandyingBy
On 1/14/2020 at 1:35 PM, KnightHammer said:

They are definitely cutting the fat, last weeks job losses, Imperial assault and now Destiny... just wondering whos next for the chop

Im wondering if the hedge fund who owns FFG/Asmode is thinking of selling it on

When the job cuts were announced i saw several posts / rumors that Disney was looking at buying it out. Not sure on the creditably.

On 1/15/2020 at 9:41 PM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:



Yea, I was talking about the past year of X-Wing Releases , which have been shucked by B&N either early, discounted, or both.

Including the most recent Wave 6 expansions, which debuted at B&N last week and aren't expected to hit anywhere else until the end of this week or possibly next. For instance:


I don't know what you think FFG's "protect the gamestore" strategy or policy entails, @BrobaFett , but this is not the first time B&N has violated the official street date release with X-Wing Products and it's still happening as of this past week's newest wave... so... ? And when B&N released the X-Wing Clone Wars stuff (whatever wave that was), it was available effectively at 50% off of MSRP with the BOGO promotion they were running, so not sure what "disallowed price cuts" you are referring to... ??? This isn't some fluke... as B&N has been at this for the past few X-Wing releases, and FFG/Asmodee certainly hasn't appeared to deny them the right to order product or anything like that...

So, I think the burden of proof that FFG is "protecting gamestores" is on you... what policies does FFG have in place? What incentive is FFG providing to buy from the FLGS? Bear in mind, FFG has recently starting offering excluisve promos for some games if you preorder directly from FFG/Asmodee themselves (e.g. LotR), and every FLGS owner I've talked absolutely despises Alliance (the distributor FFG/Asmodee uses), since the minimum purchase order is burdensomely high and since it seems that often when their is a stock shortage, big box stores with huge orders get their product first and small FLGSes just looking to order a few copies of each new thing gets the shaft.

I can confirm Asmodee does have a sales policy in place. But it boils down to Asmodee enforcing those policies. I can not post the policy since the policy is intended for the retailers eyes only. But yes Brobafett is correct.

I would not be surprised if FFG decided to cut back on the Stwar Wars license and drop all but the miniatures.

The miniatures make them a lot of money and while the boardgames are well recieved they have to pay Hasbro extra (if i understood what was going on around Rebellion's release correctly).

The card games were initially well recieved but faded out quite fast. The LCG had a bit more staying power but could not capture the same size of audience the other coop LCGs could reach.

If i would be worried as a FFG customer i would be more worried about AGoT2nd and perhaps even L5R. Their competitive games just can't compete with the giants that are Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh or Pokemon. Only Keyforge can for the time being do that and that game is still very young. Will have to wait and see how it will do in the future.

Some of the issues with the SW:LCG and Destiny was their ineffective distribution/production. Both of these had big delays of waves and/or shortages.

1 hour ago, Cusm said:

Some of the issues with the SW:LCG and Destiny was their ineffective distribution/production. Both of these had big delays of waves and/or shortages.

Big delays of waves...

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On 1/15/2020 at 6:41 PM, AllWingsStandyingBy said:



Yea, I was talking about the past year of X-Wing Releases , which have been shucked by B&N either early, discounted, or both.

Including the most recent Wave 6 expansions, which debuted at B&N last week and aren't expected to hit anywhere else until the end of this week or possibly next. For instance:


I don't know what you think FFG's "protect the gamestore" strategy or policy entails, @BrobaFett , but this is not the first time B&N has violated the official street date release with X-Wing Products and it's still happening as of this past week's newest wave... so... ? And when B&N released the X-Wing Clone Wars stuff (whatever wave that was), it was available effectively at 50% off of MSRP with the BOGO promotion they were running, so not sure what "disallowed price cuts" you are referring to... ??? This isn't some fluke... as B&N has been at this for the past few X-Wing releases, and FFG/Asmodee certainly hasn't appeared to deny them the right to order product or anything like that...

So, I think the burden of proof that FFG is "protecting gamestores" is on you... what policies does FFG have in place? What incentive is FFG providing to buy from the FLGS? Bear in mind, FFG has recently starting offering excluisve promos for some games if you preorder directly from FFG/Asmodee themselves (e.g. LotR), and every FLGS owner I've talked absolutely despises Alliance (the distributor FFG/Asmodee uses), since the minimum purchase order is burdensomely high and since it seems that often when their is a stock shortage, big box stores with huge orders get their product first and small FLGSes just looking to order a few copies of each new thing gets the shaft.

Ah, then you just posted in the wrong forum. If you are looking to complain on the Xwing forum you can find it https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/forum/222-x-wing/ right there. Otherwise, there's an off topic you can rant about another game in.

Getting mad about a problem that is exclusively the problem of a game that is not Armada does not belong on this forum.

I am yet at the sky is falling stage, but I am nervous. First Petersen left a year ago, then Navaro. We get news that they are trimming fat. It doesn’t sound so much that they are moving away from Star Wars as there is corporate shenanigans afoot. They can announce anything they want but as X-Wing has shown they can just as readily cancel.

Im not at Chicken little stage yet, but I am watching the sky’s.