So FFG have just announced they are pulling destiny.....is this a sign they are getting ready to head back the licence.....worrying.

Destiny was bound to be canceled. So I wouldn’t worry.

They are definitely cutting the fat, last weeks job losses, Imperial assault and now Destiny... just wondering whos next for the chop

Im wondering if the hedge fund who owns FFG/Asmode is thinking of selling it on

I’m very nervous but I’m also a consistent overreactor

I am more concerned they are cutting under performing or low profit lines. The entire RPG department was also let go. Not renewing the license would mean no more X-Wing or Legion that they have put a lot of time and money into. Based on forums and other internet post this seems more like a mercy kill for Destiny. It was a CCG with no secondary market and an unreliable release schedule trying to compete in a very competitive market. The latest set is months behind release and was just bumped another month. It was so bad FFG released card images of the entire set so that players could study the cards before the next tournament.

CCG are a dime a dozen, you would be surprised how many end up cancelled. Destiny has always been a dying game IMO its had constant stock issue since launch etc and for a CCG that means certain death.

I’ve heard the cuts were linked to “developer performance issues,” though that claim may or may not be accurate.

It’s not like we’ll be doing anything different, no matter what the reason is.

Hopefully they can rearrange the game into a living card game now, I would be all over that!

Aint touching a collectible game though, no matter how great it is. And Destiny IS a great fun game.

Card games usually don't live Long, espechially with the fast pace destiny had.

Ffg rebooted several of their card games and stopped some. Destiny had 4 years though so pretty long life.

Armada is probably coming to an end like imp assault with some support, but no new releases. Unless clone wars gets announced ofc.

6 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

Armada is probably coming to an end like imp assault with some support, but no new releases. Unless clone wars gets announced ofc.

Which oc it already was...

14 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

Card games usually don't live Long, espechially with the fast pace destiny had.

Ffg rebooted several of their card games and stopped some. Destiny had 4 years though so pretty long life.

Armada is probably coming to an end like imp assault with some support, but no new releases. Unless clone wars gets announced ofc.

Clone Wars has been officially announced. And talked about at two different conventions. Armada is not on the chopping block. The game, in fact, seems to be having a resurgence. I'm meeting and hearing from a lot more new players these days. My expectation is Clone Wars will give the game a nice arm in the shot as well.

That said, why not throw a question into the AMA? I already have. More Armada questions can only be good.

I belive it when I see it. If they have problem with keeping the license then maybe they cancel it.

20 minutes ago, jocke01 said:

I belive it when I see it. If they have problem with keeping the license then maybe they cancel it.

The assumption here is that FFG has problems keeping the Star Wars License.

They're the ones with first pick on it, basically. No-one is in a position to take the license of them, effectively. We also have it from LucasFilm that theyre extremely happy with what FFG has, and continues, to do with what they have.

If they were to hand back Star Wars who else would want it? GW I am not sure they have the resources to pick up another line as big and diverse as Star Wars

1 hour ago, jamie nasmyth said:

If they were to hand back Star Wars who else would want it? GW I am not sure they have the resources to pick up another line as big and diverse as Star Wars

Maybe Hasbro? They might want to give WotC another try with the license. D&D 5e could transfer pretty well to the Star Wars universe, but I don't see them wanting a card game, and I don't know that WotC has a miniatures game team anymore.

Isn't X-Wing still the highest selling minis game on the market now? Why would FFG want to ditch that?

52 minutes ago, darkknight109 said:

Isn't X-Wing still the highest selling minis game on the market now? Why would FFG want to ditch that?

X-Wing #4 & Legion #5. Games Workshop has the top 2 then WizKids' D&D line but no one is expecting them to overtake 40K. They're basically #1 & #2 of 'everyone else'.

https://icv2.com/articles/markets/view/43733/top-5-non-collectible-miniature-games-spring-2019

Is Armada in the top 10 at least?

1 hour ago, darkknight109 said:

Isn't X-Wing still the highest selling minis game on the market now? Why would FFG want to ditch that?

X-Wing seems to be losing store support heavily in Germany. I heard from my FLGS owner that no gaming store in Berlin is selling it anymore. Seems to have become too expensive (shrinking ship sizes, growing prices), and just "too much" for many buyers?

On 1/14/2020 at 1:35 PM, KnightHammer said:

They are definitely cutting the fat, last weeks job losses, Imperial assault and now Destiny... just wondering whos next for the chop

Im wondering if the hedge fund who owns FFG/Asmode is thinking of selling it on

RuneWars was cancelled last year, with both AGoT 2nd Edition and LotR the LCG both being told they're going onto a "hiatus" after 2020... GoT may come back if GRR Martin ever finishes another book (doubtful, and by then the game will have certainly withered away) while LotR was told explicitly that when it comes back it will "different" but "not a second edition" ... whatever the heck that means. But the LotR community is convinced that after 10 years, this current cycle is gonna be the last releases the game ever receives.

Not to mention that a bunch of 2nd Edition Rereleases for X-Wing that were announced were cancelled, and it was announced that the official app would NOT support the newly released Huge Ships or Epic Play. Also, there was the company-wide scaling back of Organized Play support last year as well, with many games used to OP Events getting little to nothing.


It certainly feels like this is some aggressive fat-trimming in order to make the cleanest, tightest bottom line possible in order to best be able to sell FFG and/or Asmodee to a new buyer. Quite a few people more savvy in business-stuff than myself have been suggesting that this is what it looks like is happening. If that's the case... will Armada make the cut or will it be another one of many strong, stalwart, classic lines to bite the dust before 2020 is up... ?

20 minutes ago, TheWampa said:

X-Wing seems to be losing store support heavily in Germany. I heard from my FLGS owner that no gaming store in Berlin is selling it anymore. Seems to have become too expensive (shrinking ship sizes, growing prices), and just "too much" for many buyers?

It's incredibly regional, of course. Some scenes report thriving, born-again Second Edition player groups. Other scenes report that the game has all but disappeared from local tables. Two of my three FLGSes have closed their doors this year, and the last one no longer stocks X-Wing (or Armada) because the combination of dealing with Alliance (distributor) and the heavily cooled demand for the game has made it not worthwhile.

It doesn't help that for several of the newest waves, Barnes and Nobles has either (1) released the new X-Wing products weeks before the official street date AND/OR (2) offered them at crazy discounts upon release (like 50% off). In both cases, FLGSes get screwed when players just grab the stuff at B&N rather than waiting a few more weeks or paying substantially more. This may not be a perpetual problem (allegedly B&N was just bought by a group in the UK who are looking to eliminate all the games/toys/hobby stuff from the chain, but it's yet another example of how post-Asmodee (and Alliance), FFG has undermined rather than actively supported the FLGS.

Is there any chance Disney has decided to just... cut out the middleman?

I mean, it seems to me like they'd have the means to cheaply produce everything that FFG makes with the Star Wars IP. What's stopping them from pulling the IP license and doing it all in-house? They did it for their digital media with Disney plus. It seems far fetched, but I wouldn't put it past them.

6 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

The assumption here is that FFG has problems keeping the Star Wars License.

They're the ones with first pick on it, basically. No-one is in a position to take the license of them, effectively. We also have it from LucasFilm that theyre extremely happy with what FFG has, and continues, to do with what they have

I hope you are right, been hearing rumours here and there. Maybe it's No problem at all, but I heard the license expires next test and maybe hasbro could get it.

It could all just be bark and no bite.

2 hours ago, AllWingsStandyingBy said:

It's incredibly regional, of course. Some scenes report thriving, born-again Second Edition player groups. Other scenes report that the game has all but disappeared from local tables. Two of my three FLGSes have closed their doors this year, and the last one no longer stocks X-Wing (or Armada) because the combination of dealing with Alliance (distributor) and the heavily cooled demand for the game has made it not worthwhile.

It doesn't help that for several of the newest waves, Barnes and Nobles has either (1) released the new X-Wing products weeks before the official street date AND/OR (2) offered them at crazy discounts upon release (like 50% off). In both cases, FLGSes get screwed when players just grab the stuff at B&N rather than waiting a few more weeks or paying substantially more. This may not be a perpetual problem (allegedly B&N was just bought by a group in the UK who are looking to eliminate all the games/toys/hobby stuff from the chain, but it's yet another example of how post-Asmodee (and Alliance), FFG has undermined rather than actively supported the FLGS.

Without a true ISBN number Barnes and Noble cannot purchase Armada stock, and it appears that the only non-wave 2 or earlier products with a true ISBN are the campaigns. This is, of course, based off me physically checking with Barnes and Nobel and confirming yep, nothing released after ISD/MC80 or Rogues and Villains other than the campaign even listed on their stock list. So this seems, essentially, like a complete over blow of the situation.

B&N will severely discount their stock, but that is their prerogative and why FFG shifted to the "protect the FLGS" sales model which included shutting retailers like B&N out of purchasing stock through their ISBN agreements and disallowing those huge price cuts to continue on new stock. FFG may have made huge missteps the last few years that are pretty indefensible, but to say they pandered to B&N at the expense of FLGS' is just misinformation. If anything, the critical way they failed FLGS' is FFGOP's complete inability to function on any sort of level that would help their games to flourish and foster game communities. But FFGOP and FFG are 2 different entities.

4 hours ago, Darth Sanguis said:

Is there any chance Disney has decided to just... cut out the middleman?

I mean, it seems to me like they'd have the means to cheaply produce everything that FFG makes with the Star Wars IP. What's stopping them from pulling the IP license and doing it all in-house? They did it for their digital media with Disney plus. It seems far fetched, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Disney doesn't make toys and games. It's far more profitable for them to license their IP to companies that do make those things-that way it's all reward and no risk for Disney. If a product fails to sell, the licensor loses money, not Disney. Disney+ is a bit different-that's distribution of their core product, their content.