3 hours ago, Daeglan said:

What I want to know is where are the shipyards that are turning out all of these Star destroyers? I mean the original ones were made in Kuat... But is that where the new ones are made? and if so how did the Republic not notice all this build up?

In Thrawn Alliances, Anakin and Thrawn find separatists factories on the edge of Wild Space. They destroy them and then, years later, Vader and Thrawn are sent back out to discover that the Grysk, a kind of Yuuzhan Vong threat, have re-purposed the factories. The wookieepedia article says, "Thrawn also realizes that Dooku surprised the Grysks by producing both cortosis battle droids and clone armor. In secret, Vader knows that Darth Sidious was Dooku's true master and orchestrated the construction of the cortosis factory as part of his preparations for Order 66."

This I felt laid the ground work for hidden Palpatine controlled shipyards in the Unknown Regions, working on weird things that extend beyond simply Order 66.

I understand that this would be better explained in the movies, and I agree, but the novels did start laying the groundwork of bad guy factories out there.

Also Thrawn is still out there in the Unknown Regions as well as Ezra. You know that they are going to explain more of this in one of their stories. I wouldn't be surprised if the next animated show is about the Yuuzhan Vo... ahem I mean Gryssk attempting to infiltrate the galaxy and hints of the Sith Cultists.

I'm currently running a clone wars games where they are discovering weird factories in the Unknown Region. I'm hoping to tie it to the sequel trilogy in a future campaign.

If each one of those sith ships had a planet killer, then admiral what's-his-bucket could consider each one to be worth 100 ships. So saying that they would increase the power of the fleet 10,000 times would make some sense.

2 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Why would the Holonet be gone? it is not just communications streams. and nothing that happened in the movies would have shut it down. It was locked down by the empire. and it is not a centralized thing.

My thinking - and I will freely admit that there's room for me to be wrong here - is that while the Holonet isnt a centralized network, it does have hardware and nodes and servers pumping the data around the galaxy. Someone has to pay for that, right? Presumably the government (be it Republic, Empire, Other Republic or Empire Cosplayers) is footing the majority of bill, with the remainder being picked up locally. If the government has more important things to worry about, that's one of the services that would suffer.

I realize that I'm skating dangerously close to "Is the Holonet the internet" (and please god, lets not get into that again), but consider real life network issues you suffer locally when a disaster half way across the country knocks out a trunk or two. I could see the total loss of the government via Kaboom might throw some lag spikes into the traffic once you get outside the local systems.

6 minutes ago, Desslok said:

My thinking - and I will freely admit that there's room for me to be wrong here - is that while the Holonet isnt a centralized network, it does have hardware and nodes and servers pumping the data around the galaxy. Someone has to pay for that, right? Presumably the government (be it Republic, Empire, Other Republic or Empire Cosplayers) is footing the majority of bill, with the remainder being picked up locally. If the government has more important things to worry about, that's one of the services that would suffer.

I realize that I'm skating dangerously close to "Is the Holonet the internet" (and please god, lets not get into that again), but consider real life network issues you suffer locally when a disaster half way across the country knocks out a trunk or two. I could see the total loss of the government via Kaboom might throw some lag spikes into the traffic once you get outside the local systems.

I'd say that the difference is that the different holonet nodes can be maintained by the various local and sector powers. This is likely how it was run under the High Republic and Old Republic as well. It was only under the Empire where the Holonet was strictly centrally controlled.

37 minutes ago, Desslok said:

I could see the total loss of the government via Kaboom might throw some lag spikes into the traffic once you get outside the local systems.

In the case of the empire? Most likely, but the new republic seems to be less centralized, so it might be not as bad when they are gone.

38 minutes ago, Desslok said:

My thinking - and I will freely admit that there's room for me to be wrong here - is that while the Holonet isnt a centralized network, it does have hardware and nodes and servers pumping the data around the galaxy. Someone has to pay for that, right? Presumably the government (be it Republic, Empire, Other Republic or Empire Cosplayers) is footing the majority of bill, with the remainder being picked up locally. If the government has more important things to worry about, that's one of the services that would suffer.

I realize that I'm skating dangerously close to "Is the Holonet the internet" (and please god, lets not get into that again), but consider real life network issues you suffer locally when a disaster half way across the country knocks out a trunk or two. I could see the total loss of the government via Kaboom might throw some lag spikes into the traffic once you get outside the local systems.

Think of it this way. If the Federal government went away that would not mean the roads would go away. They might be less well maintained but they would still be maintained. They are too important not to be maintained. The Holonet is th same. Local sectors would maintain their own hardware because the ability to communicate with other systems is far far too important.

4 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

In the case of the empire? Most likely, but the new republic seems to be less centralized, so it might be not as bad when they are gone.

A republic government would also be much easier to rebuild, given that, more than anything, the most important things you need is to simply elect more representatives and select a new capital.

There will be a massive boom in the planetary shield industry. After the miniaturisation of planet destroying weapons on Star Destroyer scale and probably still one of those Death Star Destroyers still on the loose within the core worlds, everyone wants to buy a planetary shield!

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Our "don't be Scared-if the Death weapon comes for you"-special offer: For a limited time only, get the Star-Destroyer-Crash-proof planetary-shield-opening-gate upgrade for free.

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1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

select a new capital.

Easy enough, since various offscreen sources have said that the New Republic would change the capital world on a regular basis. Just begin making use of one of the previous facilities.

9 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Easy enough, since various offscreen sources have said that the New Republic would change the capital world on a regular basis. Just begin making use of one of the previous facilities.

Agreed. Part of why the New Republic went to the model of shifting the capital world on a regular basis was to try and avert the issues that came with Coruscant being the center of the Old Republic for so long. Namely, a sense that the people in charge would become more detached from the populace they were supposed to be serving.

In the early years after TRoS, I could see several of those planets declaring themselves the "true inheritors of the New Republic," again leading to a warlord like situation, though perhaps of a generally more benevolent nature than your typical Imperial warlord. It'd be a crowning achievement for a diplomat to be able to bring those various worlds/systems/sectors together into a new, unified galactic alliance or federation of allied systems.

But I do tend to agree with the general notion of a single, unified galaxy-wide government on par with the Old Republic is something that won't be seen for a number of generations.

19 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Why would the Holonet be gone? it is not just communications streams. and nothing that happened in the movies would have shut it down. It was locked down by the empire. and it is not a centralized thing.

minor flub on my part, I figured HoloNet was more like a branded channel like NBC rather than the infrastructure itself.

However, I did state that the communications mainframe itself would be still active. The streamlined direct content from Courscant (not sure if that survived Starkiller, didn't read up which planets got popped) would not be. I doubt there'd be any direct lines through the galaxy.

4 minutes ago, thinkbomb said:

minor flub on my part, I figured HoloNet was more like a branded channel like NBC rather than the infrastructure itself.

However, I did state that the communications mainframe itself would be still active. The streamlined direct content from Courscant (not sure if that survived Starkiller, didn't read up which planets got popped) would not be. I doubt there'd be any direct lines through the galaxy.

The Hosnian System is what was destroyed.

20 hours ago, GM Fred said:

There will be a massive boom in the planetary shield industry. After the miniaturisation of planet destroying weapons on Star Destroyer scale and probably still one of those Death Star Destroyers still on the loose within the core worlds, everyone wants to buy a planetary shield!

Don't be an Alderaan. Get your planetary shield* today! 🌐
Our "don't be Scared-if the Death weapon comes for you"-special offer: For a limited time only, get the Star-Destroyer-Crash-proof planetary-shield-opening-gate upgrade for free.

*Batteries not included.

I am still in the group of people who say that Alderaan had a planetary shield. Now I would hope that those super-lasers are not enough to penetrate planetary shields.

3 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

I am still in the group of people who say that Alderaan had a planetary shield. Now I would hope that those super-lasers are not enough to penetrate planetary shields.

Don't take this as aggro, I'm legit curious = but what would lead you to believe they had a shield? I'm just wondering since all the material I saw them as being a bit vulnerable from a military stance.

... also on topic = mildly curious if anyone know much regarding Rey's yellow saber. There's a few wilder/unbased speculations I have (lore wise), but I'd rather not say due to lack of knowledge.

Given that Palpatine was the guy who burnt down the Jedi Temple with force lightning, for reasons. *Shrugs* The additional source material atm seems about as interesting as googling sibling related activity on a website of dubious moral fibre. Interesting enough if you ever wondered "hey, why did the movie not answer these questions." to "DEAR GOD NO I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS."

Needless to say, I don't think I would find any satisfactory results in the extra material in regards to the ST era. I just don't believe in it as a trilogy of events. Kinda like asking the Knights of Ren to do anything. At least Boba Fett did his job. XD


I figure TBH that unlike the rebellion era, I imagine the galaxy needs to go through a longer healing process, largely because not completely eradicating hate from their heart was what lead the pro-imperial republicans to fund the first order in the first place. Failing to completely eradicate the Empire the first time round was on the Republic and well, given the Empire's thing is to literally build instruments of genocide it's been provern that the institution as it stands just doesn't work. There are too many people willing to serve their own interests for the entire galaxy to cooperate at once, especially given most of the diplomatic supporters for both sides were completely eradicated when Star Base fired.


Rey's lightsaber? I don't think the colour has any significance. It looks cool like Mace Windu's pimp saber. I'm sure someone will come up for a fan-fiction excuse for it to be uber powerful and personal statement of a new order; Star War's tendency to over describe everything is why I prefer roleplaying in it, I don't care for the universe beyond the ball pond I am.

26 minutes ago, thinkbomb said:

Don't take this as aggro, I'm legit curious = but what would lead you to believe they had a shield? I'm just wondering since all the material I saw them as being a bit vulnerable from a military stance.

... also on topic = mildly curious if anyone know much regarding Rey's yellow saber. There's a few wilder/unbased speculations I have (lore wise), but I'd rather not say due to lack of knowledge.

Not speaking for him, but, I've seen the shield theory going back years, originating from the way the effects of Alderaan's destruction have been done both originally and in the special editions, showing the superlaser's blast briefly flaring out or causing a diffusing glow before making contact with the planet itself. Planetary shields, though, weren't made with anything like the superlaser in mind.

15 hours ago, LordBritish said:

Given that Palpatine was the guy who burnt down the Jedi Temple with force lightning, for reasons. *Shrugs* The additional source material atm seems about as interesting as googling sibling related activity on a website of dubious moral fibre. Interesting enough if you ever wondered "hey, why did the movie not answer these questions." to "DEAR GOD NO I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE ANSWERS."

I thought he turned it into his personal palace. In legends wasn't the temple over some old dark side nexus or something?

17 hours ago, Nytwyng said:

Not speaking for him, but, I've seen the shield theory going back years, originating from the way the effects of Alderaan's destruction have been done both originally and in the special editions, showing the superlaser's blast briefly flaring out or causing a diffusing glow before making contact with the planet itself. Planetary shields, though, weren't made with anything like the superlaser in mind.

I know what visual blip you're talking about. That makes sense.

Of course, the advanced tech of the FO couldn't keep an insane pilot in a YT freighter out of their planetary shield. So it'd only make sense that it wouldn't withstand a planet-popper. lol

1 hour ago, Ahrimon said:

I thought he turned it into his personal palace. In legends wasn't the temple over some old dark side nexus or something?

IIRC - the darkside nexus story element has echos evidenced in Rebels ... though I'd have to rewatch those eps to be sure.

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Regarding the yellow saber: I was trying to remember if the yellow saber had a connection to the gray jedi (fringe balance faction, would fit in with Rey/Kylo path) = but memory's fuzzy so can't remember.
There's a ton of lore answers crammed into ep9 (please don't derail the topic and female-dog about execution), so I'm doubting this is strictly cosmetic and has some intentionality behind it.

1 hour ago, thinkbomb said:

Regarding the yellow saber: I was trying to remember if the yellow saber had a connection to the gray jedi (fringe balance faction, would fit in with Rey/Kylo path) = but memory's fuzzy so can't remember.
There's a ton of lore answers crammed into ep9 (please don't derail the topic and female-dog about execution), so I'm doubting this is strictly cosmetic and has some intentionality behind it.

Grey Jedi simply aren't a thing. It's 100% fan theories and fan fiction. There exists no lore about this.

2 hours ago, thinkbomb said:

I know what visual blip you're talking about. That makes sense.

Of course, the advanced tech of the FO couldn't keep an insane pilot in a YT freighter out of their planetary shield. So it'd only make sense that it wouldn't withstand a planet-popper. lol

IIRC - the darkside nexus story element has echos evidenced in Rebels ... though I'd have to rewatch those eps to be sure.

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Regarding the yellow saber: I was trying to remember if the yellow saber had a connection to the gray jedi (fringe balance faction, would fit in with Rey/Kylo path) = but memory's fuzzy so can't remember.
There's a ton of lore answers crammed into ep9 (please don't derail the topic and female-dog about execution), so I'm doubting this is strictly cosmetic and has some intentionality behind it.

In the current canon, the only yellow sabers we saw before Rey's, were wielded by the Jedi Temple Guards. In Legends, and other lore, yellow blades have also been associated with Jedi Sentinels.

18 minutes ago, Ahrimon said:

I thought he turned it into his personal palace. In legends wasn't the temple over some old dark side nexus or something?

I was referring to Luke's new Jedi order. It turned out that Snoke/Sidious had nuked it with force Lightning after the incident mentioned in episode 8. So Kylo didn't even kill the students after the incident in episode 9. Or at least not most of them. I don't mean "Snoke turned up and dropped some force lightning", as in he just force stormed the place remotely from some place in the galaxy, leaving Ben Solo as the only survivor (and whoever was off planet at the time).

I'm just not keen of the "wizard just did it" nonsense that it basically came down to. There just wasn't anything interesting in it's execution.

On 1/13/2020 at 4:07 PM, kmanweiss said:

I believe a New Republic would be rebuilt in short order, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't have an age of turmoil.

At this point you are talking First Order remnants, Imperial Remnants, New Republic Remnant, Resistance Remnant, and all the various criminal factions at play. While some would certaintly rush to reestablish the New Republic, others may not be so keen on the idea. Massive civil war, the old Republic turned into the Empire, galactic war wages, the Empire falls, the New Republic is formed, the New Republic is shattered, the Resistance just barely stops the First Order...some worlds may not wish to be a part of this ongoing drama fest. New factions, even restored separatist factions may sprout up. Some worlds may seek independence. New warlords or criminal factions may sprout up.

What you have after Ep9 is a MASSIVE galaxy wide power vacuum. Reforming a New Republic is going to be a messy, time consuming ordeal. And without any sort of military force to protect it's members, criminal factions and various warlords are going to cause massive problems. The New Republic isn't going to just happen over night. Various members are going to have various ideals and all those things will need to be hammered out before they agree on anything and can move forward. That conflict will likely drive others out that are tired of decades of galactic instability. I mean honestly, who's to say there isn't yet another Emperor building yet another WMD or fleet or army that is bigger or more evil than the last. Or maybe there's some other Imperial copy cat faction waiting to blow up a couple more planets. Maybe it's just best to sit on the sidelines for a couple decades and see how things play out eh?

Honestly, post Ep9 leaves us with the most open world Star Wars universe to dabble in from an RPG standpoint. You can literally throw anything from any era into the game and it would make sense. The galaxy could be in massive turmoil with everyone trying to eek out what power they can be that through crime, military power, political wrangling, or crazy planet destroying constructs.

Beyond all that, who's going to lead the reconstructive efforts. They ostracized Leia due to her lineage, not like Rey is going to win a lot of favor with her heritage. The Resistance is basically wiped out. The majority of the Republics leadership was wiped out. Who has the clout, experience, knowledge, and power to piece that all together.

Maybe Lando Calrissian, he got a rag tag fleet together in short order

On 1/16/2020 at 3:16 PM, Desslok said:

My thinking - and I will freely admit that there's room for me to be wrong here - is that while the Holonet isnt a centralized network, it does have hardware and nodes and servers pumping the data around the galaxy. Someone has to pay for that, right? Presumably the government (be it Republic, Empire, Other Republic or Empire Cosplayers) is footing the majority of bill, with the remainder being picked up locally. If the government has more important things to worry about, that's one of the services that would suffer.

I realize that I'm skating dangerously close to "Is the Holonet the internet" (and please god, lets not get into that again), but consider real life network issues you suffer locally when a disaster half way across the country knocks out a trunk or two. I could see the total loss of the government via Kaboom might throw some lag spikes into the traffic once you get outside the local systems.

Perhaps more in-line would be the pre-Internet AT&T model where the infrastructure and service was provided under a monopoly, which was subsequently broken up into "Baby Bells." So, the old HoloNet would have been paid for by the Galactic Republic (and only available in developed systems/sectors of the Republic) and subsequently locked down by the Galactic Empire (who would have probably only expanded it to major worlds and systems with key military installations). The collapse of the Empire would have left different parts of the infrastructure to be "nationalized" by individual worlds or entities controlling larger regions of space, effectively Balkanizing it. Whether or not those now regional parts of the holonet would be able to communicate on a Galactic level would depend on numerous factors: treaties, comparative maintenance, compatible technology upgrades, etc. It might also bring back the dreaded pre-mobile phone network reality of... long-distance and international calling charges. If the New Republic and Imperial Remnant control different parts of the old Holonet infrastructure then 1) data that used to go directly from Point A to Point B may have to take circuitous routes to get where it belongs, and 2) the average citizen in each may not be able to communicate / share data with one another with that kind of contact limited to "official channels" (think US-USSR cold war era communications). Groups controlling key infrastructure nodes in the holonet could, foresee-ably, exercise political leverage or even hold regions of space hostage. That would be a great basis for a diplomacy or espionage based adventure!

All I know, get yourself the captain of a Xyston-class Star Destroyer stranded from the rest of the fleet and a Sith cultist who barely managed to survive the events of Exegol and you got yourself a good pair of Big Bads for your pcs to face off against.

9 hours ago, Voltron64 said:

All I know, get yourself the captain of a Xyston-class Star Destroyer stranded from the rest of the fleet and a Sith cultist who barely managed to survive the events of Exegol and you got yourself a good pair of Big Bads for your pcs to face off against.

Or critical allies in stopping a Vong worldship.