4 hours ago, dadocollin said:

and the Obstacles and Devices packs.

Care to share a pic of the obstacles? I have the blue and black core set obstacles plus 2 set of gas clouds. Do the new pack brings any new one? Or red box reprint perhaps?

9 hours ago, Croste said:

Barnes and Noble again releases the Fireball and Major Verog tie today....

AGAIN EARLY!!!!

Are you just trying to screw over game stores???

Don’t be mad at FFG because you can’t wait a week or so to support your FLGS.

I have enough willpower to wait and support the store that allows me and many like me to play spaceships.

it’s disappointing that people cannot delay gratification and support big stores who couldn’t care about the hobby.

For what it’s worth, rumor has it that Barnes & Noble was recently purchased by a British bookstore company that wants to do away with all the games/toys/etc and make B&N into more of a traditional book store. I don’t know if that’s true or not, that’s just what I’ve heard.

2 hours ago, Herowannabe said:

For what it’s worth, rumor has it that Barnes & Noble was recently purchased by a British bookstore company that wants to do away with all the games/toys/etc and make B&N into more of a traditional book store. I don’t know if that’s true or not, that’s just what I’ve heard.

FWIW a recently re-opened B&N nearby did tell me they were moving away from toys and games when I asked about a lack of X-Wing stuff on their new shelves.

QS =D

8 hours ago, Rakaydos said:

Only because the person your fellows voted for puts lobbyists over voters. But theres a group that rather vocally against that...

thats not really true. between gerrymandering, unequal representation per capita, voter supression and frequently unaposed incumbants, its likely that the majority of your fellows did not vote for a corporate lackey but got one anyway. What fun!

Back on topic though, the box stores getting product before most FLGS is not an issue individuals can truly resolve on their own.

I assume your point was to compare purchase power to votes and imply the people choose the market trend? (correct me if im wrong there) If so I agree to some extent, but its not a great comparison. your right to vote politically doesnt go away if you dont use it or vote a certain way (mostly)... whereas failed products and business models dissapear even when theyre popular. in this case the games we play live or die primarily based on the heallth of our symbiosis with FLGS.

what stores like Home depot started doing to real hardware stores in the early 90s was carry cheaper versions of their staple items while ignoring everything else. for ex. you can find drywall screws easy at H.D., but good luck finding the machine screw or bushing you need. Due to undercutting and whatnot everyone started buying mostly at home depot and only going to the hardware store for "specialty" items or expert advice. 10 years later 90% of the hardware stores had closed.

Essentially thats whats being done to FLGS by the internet and barnes and noble today. theyre Selling only the profitable parts of the FLGS model without the play space and community aspects. that means the only thing many people will buy at their FLGS are loss leaders and impulse buys.

so yeah. it happened to hardware stores, bookstores, clothing stores, arcades, etc... no reason to think "letting the consumer decide" wont kill the thing the consumer wants

I’m getting tired of the release date/actual product release dates between LGS, FFG & B&N.

Some of my LGS get x-wing product in on the release date while others get a delay of a week or two. But it is completely random, no one store has consistent product available for each wave. I play at multiple stores, so 1 might have product on the release date while the others don’t. So you want to help a store out and pre-order only to find that they have a product delay. I go to the other store I play at and they have product available. So next time I pre-order at the other store and now they have a delay.

So then I pre-order with FFG just for ishts & giggles. And they ship product early to my home. The LGS has a delay and B&N has no product in stock even after the LGS finally get their product.

Then sometimes like in the case of wave4 and this wave, B&N has product like a few weeks to a month BEFORE FFG plans on shipping pre-orders to both individuals and LGS.

15 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

Are... are you really that mad at FFG when you’re still making the choice to buy them from B&N?

It’s definitely not FFG’s choice for B&N to put them out early, though it might be poor communication of street dates on either their end or B&N’s.

And they aren’t at the B&N I work at, either—though I don’t know anything about receiving/stocking product, as that’s not part of my job.

I didn't buy them. These are pics from a poster on a local tournament page.

Don't get it twisted.

8 hours ago, Archangelspiv said:

Don’t be mad at FFG because you can’t wait a week or so to support your FLGS.

I have enough willpower to wait and support the store that allows me and many like me to play spaceships.

it’s disappointing that people cannot delay gratification and support big stores who couldn’t care about the hobby.

I didn't buy them... I'm mad because I'm a LGS....

15 minutes ago, Croste said:

I didn't buy them. These are pics from a poster on a local tournament page.

Don't get it twisted.

At no point do you mention any of this...

10 minutes ago, Archangelspiv said:

At no point do you mention any of this...

But he also at no point said he bought them either.

I see the ambiguity though.

I too am pretty frustrated that this supply chain logistics never seems to get any better, and once again the little guy gets screwed. While many of us devotees are on the forums saying “support your LGS,” I feel like the majority will be all too happy to hunt down stuff early. Especially because we have points too for all of this.

I already have my preorder with LGS. I’m waiting for it to come through. But I’m also mad at ffg for this fiasco yet again.

35 minutes ago, ScummyRebel said:

But he also at no point said he bought them either.

I see the ambiguity though.

I too am pretty frustrated that this supply chain logistics never seems to get any better, and once again the little guy gets screwed. While many of us devotees are on the forums saying “support your LGS,” I feel like the majority will be all too happy to hunt down stuff early. Especially because we have points too for all of this.

I already have my preorder with LGS. I’m waiting for it to come through. But I’m also mad at ffg for this fiasco yet again.

He shows two pictures of Ships assembled and cards spoiled. Pretty sure I was safe to assume that they had bought them.

But we are on the same page RE big stores screwing the little guy.

Did they show up as IN STOCK or were you just browsing your local store?

12 hours ago, kempokid said:

And you posting this brings it to more people’s attention... just saying. Honestly not much point in buying them early anyways since they’re not even legal.

They become legal January 20, and I wouldn't be surprised if most places don't get wave vi until weeks after that.

If they're legal on January 20th does this mean I can fly them at the UK System Open if I can get hold of one? Has anyone any idea what the projected release date of Wave 6 is in the UK?

3 hours ago, Croste said:

I didn't buy them. These are pics from a poster on a local tournament page.

Don't get it twisted.

Glad to hear there's one less act of blatant hypocrisy in the world than I'd thought.

Might be a good idea to mention the source, in the future, when you post those kinds of pictures in such contexts. (Not a bad idea to always cite sources, but hey. I'm sure I've not always done that so I won't preach about it.)

2 hours ago, Ablazoned said:

They become legal January 20, and I wouldn't be surprised if most places don't get wave vi until weeks after that.

why the 20th?

3 hours ago, Ablazoned said:

They become legal January 20, and I wouldn't be surprised if most places don't get wave vi until weeks after that.

Directly from the tournament regulations: For Relaxed and Formal events, all product is legal in North America upon the product’s official release. For Premier events, all product is legal in North America 11 days—typically the second Monday—after the product’s official release .

Seeing as none of the products have been officially released they are in no way currently legal or within the 11 day waiting period for Premier events.

28 minutes ago, Innese said:

Directly from the tournament regulations: For Relaxed and Formal events, all product is legal in North America upon the product’s official release. For Premier events, all product is legal in North America 11 days—typically the second Monday—after the product’s official release .

Seeing as none of the products have been officially released they are in no way currently legal or within the 11 day waiting period for Premier events.

Although this doesn't necessarily apply to European tournament, which I think are legal on release? Could be wrong...

39 minutes ago, The Penguin UK said:

Although this doesn't necessarily apply to European tournament, which I think are legal on release? Could be wrong...

Outside of the US it's at the organiser's discretion. If I remember correctly, there's precedent for new product being disallowed from major tournaments if there are supply issues that mean some players haven't had reasonable chance to buy them, so I wouldn't assume anything until the event page confirms.

What's with all the Barnes and Noble hate? Do people really think there are more book stores than game stores these days? I doubt B&N use the same distributor all the game stores have to use, so when B&N gets the product in their own distribution system, they get out. This is FFG's fault for sending them out early.

13 minutes ago, Mep said:

What's with all the Barnes and Noble hate?

Barnes and noble doesn't run tournaments or weekly play nights. Games stores do.

1 hour ago, Mep said:

What's with all the Barnes and Noble hate? Do people really think there are more book stores than game stores these days? I doubt B&N use the same distributor all the game stores have to use, so when B&N gets the product in their own distribution system, they get out. This is FFG's fault for sending them out early.

People don’t hate the bookstore, people dislike others supporting them when they break release dates. There aren’t any repercussions for B+N, but the LGS misses out on support from players who would have normally bought from them.

59 minutes ago, Do I need a Username said:

Barnes and noble doesn't run tournaments or weekly play nights. Games stores do.

That would be a service based business not a retail based business. The margins on the retail products are rather low and these game stores are under cut all the time by online retailers. Barnes and Noble have the same plight with their retail stores. Game stores really exist base on the pawning of CCG singles. They are more of an unregulated pawn shop in that case that also sells a service in the form of hosting games. Yes you can buy the x-wing ships from them and they might get a few bucks a ship but that is a losing business strategy for them. They'll pay 30-35 cents on the dollar for a CCG card and do okay. They pay what 80 cents on the dollar for x-wing products? Every little bit helps, but it is just a little bit.

Barns and Noble selling those ships to people who otherwise wouldn't know anything about those game stores actually help bring people into game stores to play. It's basically free advertisement which only exists if B&N can actually sell those games. Yeah B&N released those products early but why could they do it and who is actually responsible for them being able to do it? So again, what's with all the Barns and Noble hate? They aren't the bad actors here.

On 1/11/2020 at 12:27 PM, Croste said:

Barnes and Noble again releases the Fireball and Major Verog tie today....

AGAIN EARLY!!!!

Are you just trying to screw over game stores???

Why would you be mad at either FFG or Asmodee for this? They don't control B&N, they are merely the game developer/producers. If Barnes and Noble decideds to break the street date, that is an issue between them and Asmodee. It isn't something that FFG can deal with, as they no longer control distribution, nor is it anything to do with Asmodee disliking FLGS. It has everything, most likely, to do with local B&Ns not realizing the correct street date for product launch and deciding to put stuff up without either company approval or knowledge.

So you are yelling on the internet for nothing, as the company you are yelling at, FFG, doesn't have anything to do with product distribution anymore. The company that does deal with distribution, Asmodee, is most likely going to be upset with B&N for breaking street dates, while B&N corporate will most likely be mad at their local stores for not reading the proper launch dates. Congratulations, you have made a very pointless thread.

Double post.