1 minute ago, CoffeeMinion said:Quadjumpers and N-1s drop by 2 across the board, except for Ric Olie and Lil’ Ani.
Fangs get dropped from Hyperspace.
Aren't Fangs supposed to be the core ship for Scum, like the T-65 and Tie Fighter for Rebels and Imperials?
However, it would kill the faction in Hyperspace, so will probably happen.
Seevor +2pts to 32.
Hyperspace: U-Wing dropped from rebels
Will also predict Black Sun Assassins increase +3pts to 51. Other Scum generics I think come down like generic Kimos from 43 to 41 (should not be more than a republic ARC). Fang Fighters could see a 1 or 2 pt drop across the board. Cartel Spacer Scyks drop 1pt to 27. Quad jumpers back down to 30.
Edited by wurms4 minutes ago, CoffeeMinion said:Quadjumpers and N-1s drop by 2 across the board, except for Ric Olie and Lil’ Ani.
Fangs get dropped from Hyperspace.
*sadface* Quadjumpers need more of a drop than that, especially if they're nerfing tractoring AGAIN. Fangs should definitely stay in hyperspace, has a 2.0 release. My prediction is that Starvipers get dropped from hyperspace, and the generics go up 2 points(unnecessary, but heavy lobbying to nerf...)
6 minutes ago, Porkchop Express said:Aren't Fangs supposed to be the core ship for Scum, like the T-65 and Tie Fighter for Rebels and Imperials?
However, it would kill the faction in Hyperspace, so will probably happen.
Especially with the new damage decks. Agreed: Fangs aren't going anywhere.
Inquisitor - 36 points
Well, I was going to make some guess about First Order, but they actually don't look that bad right now.
Turr Phennir: 42
Hyperspace: lose Soontir Fel but keep other TIE interceptors pilots
It's a hot take, but if they are talking about a curated list of pilots this may be good for them to test out this season. The impending damage decks make me doubt it, but it's a safe guess because nobody else will guess it.
Gold Squadron Trooper: 27 points
Hyperspace: yanking starviper
1 hour ago, clanofwolves said:Maybe yes, but I haven't had a huge problem with the actual chassis or title, it's just the stinking Force and the unwarranted marriage with the **** that is Regen.
The only people that say the Jedi are undercosted don't play them. And never see them without regen.
Put 7b Anakin with no regen on the table, and watch how the 3 Force (really it'll be 2 if you are using the ship ability) doesn't help anywhere near as much as people say.
A few people have already said ones that I would do.
Generic resistance bombers down to 51-52, with the named pilots going down accordingly.
All Resistance falcons go down another 3-5 points.
A sprinkling of points cut from T-70s.
Advanced Optics to 5
Passive sensors on Vader up to 6. Base Vader doesn't change. He's been 70 before and few played him.
Hate back to 3 for all ships.
Non-Vader /x1 comes down 4-5 points across the board.
Republic force users not nerfed nearly as much as people want, but congruent with their actual tournament results. 2 point increase on Obi and Plo, Ani unchanged, 1-2 point decreases on I4 and below. Wildcard: 4x7B Jedi Knights is made legal, Anakan comes down 2.
Nantex not changed much at all because tractor rules changes. Chertek and Sun up 2 maybe. I'd rather droids went to 21 myself.
I don't even want to try and guess what happens to the YT-2400 and Corran.
Edited by DarkArk1 hour ago, SavouryRain said:The only people that say the Jedi are undercosted don't play them. And never see them without regen.
Put 7b Anakin with no regen on the table, and watch how the 3 Force (really it'll be 2 if you are using the ship ability) doesn't help anywhere near as much as people say.
I played against an Ani/Obi/Ric list top 4 at North American Continentals at Gencon 2019 with no regen on any of them. Lacking regen is not the norm, but that doesn't mean that it isn't good without it.
Edited by 5050Saint13 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:I played against an Ani/Obi/Ric list top 4 at North American Nationals at Gencon 2019 with no regen on any of them. Lacking regen is not the norm, but that doesn't mean that it isn't good without it.
Top 4 at nationals may have been a hint that they’d be good regardless of what they brought.
Pilot: Torkil Mux up 4 pts, Moldy Crow up 2 pts.
Hypserspace: Resistance Falcon and Bomber pulled out.
God I hope Mux and Crow don't go up. Crow needs a big discount.
8 minutes ago, missileaway said:Pilot: Torkil Mux up 4 pts, Moldy Crow up 2 pts.
Mux should plenty, but the Crow should drop to fifteen. The title shouldn't be punished for Palob and Torkil's sins. You screw every other HWK pilot by doing so. If the title is too good on a pilot, up the pilot. Palob probably isn't any good anymore anyway with Droids and Jedi unable to steal from.
Inb4points
Have the best feel for CIS:
Vultures back up to 20 base
Sear (+)3-4
Autopilot and Grievous (+)1-2
Chertek and Sun Fac as it stands probably (+)2-3, but tractor changes might even bring them down depending on exactly what happens
Bombardment drone (-)2
42c (-) 5-6
TA175 (+) 3-5
Cartel Spacer, 26 points
One can hope. It certainly isn't stronger than the FO Fighter.
1 minute ago, Okapi said:Cartel Spacer, 26 points
One can hope. It certainly isn't stronger than the FO Fighter.
The entire pilot pool for it should go down 2 points.
Finn up to 31, Bastian and Pava up 1, Snap, Nien, Poe stay the same, rest of the named T-70 pilots drop 1 or 2.
A-wings stay where they are, but advanced optics goes up to 5.
Resistance crew mostly drops across the board.
Duchess to 44, RAC up 1, fifth brother to 11.
5 minutes ago, Des Darklighter said:, but advanced optics goes up to 5.
Ooh, that's a good one. I forgot about that one; I agree it's likely. It will ruin a bunch of my squads, but if it makes the game better...
15 minutes ago, Des Darklighter said:A-wings stay where they are, but advanced optics goes up to 5.
Are we really thinking an upgrade used by 2 of mid-low tier factions and that only really says "your 2 attack dice ships don't suck" is in need of a fix?
Crackshot 2 points
Advanced Optics 5 points
R2 astromech 4,4,6,8 points
Proton Rockets - 5 points
Sense - 6 points
Informant - 6 points
Cassian Andor (crew) 8 points
Han Solo Gunner (rebel) 10 points
Jake 38 points
Cassian 55 points
Wedge stays at 55
Rebel Arcs down 3 points across the chassis
All YT2400 down 5 points
Knave 50 points
Rogue 52 points
Gavin 58 points
Corran 62 poitns
all Y-Wings down 2 points
All Tie Adv X-1 down 2 points (not named Vader)
Duchess 44 points
Turr Phenier 40 points
Resistance bomber down 6 points across the board
Cova Nell 40 points
ALL Force users across all factions up 1-2 points
Finn (pod) 35 points
3 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:
Are we really thinking an upgrade used by 2 of mid-low tier factions and that only really says "your 2 attack dice ships don't suck" is in need of a fix?
Because it is an auto include for them. Every autoinclude is worth a very critical review.
Same of my ideas have already been posted.
M12 Kimogila and Rebels Arcs should certainly go down 2 points, compared to Republic point values. But, actually, as this is FFG, they probably are going to increase Torani.
Bold prediction:
Tie Interceptor (all pilots) gets pulled out of Hyperspace. (FFG wants people to buy the ba)
7 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:
Are we really thinking an upgrade used by 2 of mid-low tier factions and that only really says "your 2 attack dice ships don't suck" is in need of a fix?
I see your point on this, but I still think it goes up 1 point. RZ2 are not dominant in the meta, but they are the primary ship in the faction. (which I love) but Optics is a very power and very good upgrade. it gives very high consistency when paired with heroic. so either heroic goes up for optics goes up. optics going up is easier to stomach in my eyes.
4 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:Are we really thinking an upgrade used by 2 of mid-low tier factions and that only really says "your 2 attack dice ships don't suck" is in need of a fix?
Yes. If it wasn't for Jedi and Vulture swarms, I'd imagine we'd see 5 SF and 5 A strongly in the meta. After tamping down the Clone Wars factions heftily (hopefully), a minor increase of 1 point on Optics shouldn't be bad. You could still run 5A with Optics even with that increase.