Hyperspace Travel times what should they actually be?

By Daeglan, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire RPG

Rey's journey:

Ajan Kloss to Passana:
From Ajan Kloss to Ketaris is 1.5*1.25=1.86. From Ketaris to Bandomeer is 9 hours. From Bandomeer to Exodeen is 28.5*.75=21.37. From Exodeen to Fabrin is 6 hours. From Fabrin to Passana is 2 hour*1.25=2.5 hours.
Totaling ~41 hours at class 1, for just the first leg of the journey.

Passana to Kijimi (which is very fun to say, by the way):
From Passana to Zaloniis is 2*1.25=2.5 hours. From Zaloniis to Lantillies is 18 hours. From Lantillies to Salvara is 6*.75=4.5 hours. From Salvara to Kijimi is 3*1.25=3.75 hours.
Totaling ~27.75 hours at class 1.

Kijimi to Endor/Kef Bir:
From Kijimi to Salvara is 3*1.25=3.75 hours. From Salvara to Kinyen by way of Coruscant and Corellia is 42*.75=31.5 hours. From Kinyen to Endor is 13.5 hours.
Totaling ~48.75 hours at class 1.

Endor/Kef Bir to Ahch-to:
From Endor/Kef Bir to Bakura is 4.5 hours. From Bakura to Ahch-to (assuming a straight shot, which is unlikely given the significant distance) is 12*1.25=16 hours.
Totaling 20.5 hours at class 1.

Ahch-to to Exegol:
From Ahch-to to Exegol (assuming a straight shot, which is unlikely given the significant distance and the Unknown Regions well-known volatile nature, AND also ignoring Chiss space) is 22.5*1.25=28.12 hours.
Totaling ~28 hours at class 1.

Grand Total: 166 hours (7 days) at class 1.

This is, of course, based on my estimates of hyperspace travels prior to the Sequel Trilogy, but given the aforementioned volatility of the Unknown Regions, I think that this is, if anything, an underestimation of the amount of time it would take.
(not to mention that this doesn't take into account time spent at various locations).

Kylo's journey coming soon.

Edit: I was working with Inch=3 hours instead of Inch=6 hours. I have adjusted times to account for that.

Edited by P-47 Thunderbolt
3 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Rey's journey:

Ajan Kloss to Passana:
From Ajan Kloss to Ketaris is .75*1.25=.93. From Ketaris to Bandomeer is 4.5 hours. From Bandomeer to Exodeen is 14.25*.75=10.68. From Exodeen to Fabrin is 3 hours. From Fabrin to Passana is 1 hour*1.25=1.25 hours.
Totaling ~20.5 hours at class 1, for just the first leg of the journey.

Passana to Kijimi (which is very fun to say, by the way):
From Passana to Zaloniis is 1*1.25=1.25 hours. From Zaloniis to Lantillies is 9 hours. From Lantillies to Salvara is 3*.75=2.25 hours. From Salvara to Kijimi is 1.5*1.25=1.87 hours.
Totaling ~14.25 hours at class 1.

Kijimi to Endor/Kef Bir:
From Kijimi to Salvara is 1.5*1.25=1.87 hours. From Salvara to Kinyen by way of Coruscant and Corellia is 21*.75=15.75 hours. From Kinyen to Endor is 6.75 hours.
Totaling ~24.5 hours at class 1. (note: .87 is right between .75 and 1, so I rounded down the first time and up the second)

Endor/Kef Bir to Ahch-to:
From Kef Bir to Bakura is 2.25 hours. From Bakura to Ahch-to (assuming a straight shot, which is unlikely given the significant distance) is 6*1.25=7.5 hours.
Totaling ~9.75 hours at class 1.

Ahch-to to Exegol:
From Ahch-to to Exegol (assuming a straight shot, which is unlikely given the significant distance and teh Unknown Regions well-known volatile nature, AND also ignoring Chiss space) is 11.25*1.25=14.06 hours.
Totaling ~14 hours at class 1.

Grand Total: 83 hours (3 and a half days) at class 1.

This is, of course, based on my estimates of hyperspace travels prior to the Sequel Trilogy, but given the aforementioned volatility of the Unknown Regions, I think that this is, if anything, an underestimation of the amount of time it would take.
(not to mention that this doesn't take into account time spent at various locations).

Kylo's journey coming soon.

I do find a couple of days travel to be more reasonable than 16 hours. But I do thinks skilled navigation might be able to bring this travel times down....

2 hours ago, Daeglan said:

And how would skilled astrogation from BB-8 effect that? Perhaps BB-8 has Galaxy mapper...

Galaxy mapper only effects the time taken to calculate the jump.

I don't know how much hypothetical advantage BB-8 would have generated, but I generally let Advantage reduce the time by 5% per, to a maximum of 25%. If we assume he generated 5 Advantage, then we can shave 25% off, resulting in either ~78.75 hours with class 1 both ways, or ~116 with class 2 there and class 1 back.

For Rey's journey, if we presume -25% on all of those, we come up with ~124.5 hours, assuming she's using a class 1 hyperdrive.

Once we start adding more variables and more items of personal preference, the numbers start to be less reliable as a measuring stick, so I'll stick to base times and add a footnote at the bottom.

Edit: I was working with Inch=3 hours instead of Inch=6 hours. I have adjusted times to account for that.

Edited by P-47 Thunderbolt
3 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Galaxy mapper only effects the time taken to calculate the jump.

I don't know how much hypothetical advantage BB-8 would have generated, but I generally let Advantage reduce the time by 5% per, to a maximum of 25%. If we assume he generated 5 Advantage, then we can shave 25% off, resulting in either ~43.5 hours with class 1 both ways, or 56.25 with class 2 there and class 1 back.

For Rey's journey, if we presume -25% on all of those, we come up with ~62 hours, assuming she's using a class 1 hyperdrive.

Once we start adding more variables and more items of personal preference, the numbers start to be less reliable as a measuring stick, so I'll stick to base times and add a footnote at the bottom.

what if .5 hyperdrives are more common. IE in the sequel trilogy the standard hyperdrive is a *1 and the less common is a *.75 and the high end *.5 is less unusual. and a *.25 is the bleeding edge? I mean it is the future....

Just now, Daeglan said:

what if .5 hyperdrives are more common. IE in the sequel trilogy the standard hyperdrive is a *1 and the less common is a *.75 and the high end *.5 is less unusual. and a *.25 is the bleeding edge? I mean it is the future....

Given that hyperdrives remained largely unchanged for the previous 35 years of canon before Endor, I doubt there would be that change. However, that isn't to say that there wasn't one, so feel free to take your guess, the math is pretty simple if you want to tweak my numbers yourself.

On wookieepedia, I can't find anything more than "equipped" in the descriptions, so I don't have any data on that. (Legends was so much better at ship specs...)

Kylo's journey:

Mustafar to Exegol:
Mustafar to Tosste is 1*1.25=1.25 hours. Tosste to Uviuy Exen is 40.5*.75=30.37 hours. Uviuy Exen to Vakkar is 6 hours. Vakkar to Exegol ( assuming a straight shot, which is unlikely given the significant distance and the well-known volatile nature of the Unknown Regions) is 13.5*.1.25=16.87 hours.
Totaling ~54.5 hours at class 1 for just the first leg of the journey.

Exegol to Passana:
Exegol to Vakkar (assuming a straight shot, which is unlikely given the significant distance and the well-known volatile nature of the Unknown Regions) is 13.5*1.25=16.87 hours. From Vakkar to Uviuy Exen is 6 hours. Uviuy Exen to Exodeen is 12*.75=9 hours. From Exodeen to Fabrin is 6 hours. From Fabrin to Passana is 2*1.25=2.5 hours.
Totaling ~40.25 hours at class 1.

Passana to Kijimi:
From Passana to Zaloniis is 2*1.25=2.5 hours. From Zaloniis to Lantillies is 18 hours. From Lantillies to Salvara is 6*.75=4.5 hours. From Salvara to Kijimi is 3*1.25=3.75 hours.

Totaling ~28.75 hours at class 1.

Kijimi to Endor/Kef Bir:
From Kijimi to Salvara is 3*1.25=3.75 hours. From Salvara to Kinyen by way of Coruscant and Corellia is 42*.75=31.5 hours. From Kinyen to Endor is 13.5 hours.
Totaling ~48.75 hours at class 1.

Endor/Kef Bir to Exegol:
Endor/Kef Bir to Exegol (assuming a straight shot, which is unlikely given the significant distance and the well-known volatile nature of the Unknown Regions) is 30*1.25=37.5 hours.
Totaling 37.5 hours at class 1.

Grand Total: 155.25 hours (6 days and 11 and a quarter hours) at class 1.

This is, of course, based on my estimates of hyperspace travels prior to the Sequel Trilogy, but given the aforementioned volatility of the Unknown Regions, I think that this is, if anything, an underestimation of the amount of time it would take.
(not to mention that this doesn't take into account time spent at various locations).

If we take into account the maximum hyperspace travel time reduction from Advantage that I allow, 25%, we come up with ~116.5 hours, assuming he's using a class 1 hyperdrive.

Edit: I was working with Inch=3 hours instead of Inch=6 hours. I have adjusted times to account for that.

Edited by P-47 Thunderbolt

Im trying to build a google sheet to do this cause I think it would help...but i am not sure I am getting the math completely right. It is 180 minutes per inch right?

1 hour ago, Daeglan said:

Im trying to build a google sheet to do this cause I think it would help...but i am not sure I am getting the math completely right. It is 180 minutes per inch right?

Yep. 3*60=180.

Nope, I did something stupid. 6 hours per inch, so 6*60=360.

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2 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Mostly because I am curious how fast Lucas Film thinks Hyperspace travel takes.

As fast as it always has been as established clearly by George Lucas in the OT: Hyperspace travel happens at the speed of plot so everybody arrives where they need to be at an incredibly convenient time for the story. It's been this way since 1977.

Wait a second, it's 6 hours per inch. I need to double all of my numbers. I'm going to go back through and edit them now.

Okay, with some inspiration from @Daeglan , I made a Hyperdrive Calculator spreadsheet in both Imperial and Metric. Note that equivalent distances will show up differently between the two because I rounded up for Imperial and down for Metric. Shouldn't be that big a deal, but there will be a difference.

Here are the precise measurements:
Imperial: 15/16ths of an inch=6 hours (1 hour=5/32nds of an inch).
Metric: 2.9 centimeters=6 hours (1 hour=.48 centimeters).

In order to edit the fields, you'll need to make a copy of the spreadsheet.

Hyperdrive Calculator

Edit 4/6/20: I have updated the sheet now, adding lists for regional modifiers. These are optional and can be circumvented by entering "1" in the cell for the modifier. I also added a "percentage to add" row, a logical addition that I somehow overlooked earlier.

Edited by P-47 Thunderbolt
1 hour ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Okay, with some inspiration from @Daeglan , I made a Hyperdrive Calculator spreadsheet in both Imperial and Metric. Note that equivalent distances will show up differently between the two because I rounded up for Imperial and down for Metric. Shouldn't be that big a deal, but there will be a difference.

Here are the precise measurements:
Imperial: 15/16ths of an inch=6 hours (1 hour=5/32nds of an inch).
Metric: 2.9 centimeters=6 hours (1 hour=.48 centimeters).

In order to edit the fields, you'll need to make a copy of the spreadsheet.

Hyperdrive Calculator

Fly casual suggests triumph or 3 adv for -25%. Can we add a field to calculate that into the number?

13 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Fly casual suggests triumph or 3 adv for -25%. Can we add a field to calculate that into the number?

Sure, I'll look into that.

sweet. I am playing around with it entering your numbers and I am not getting what you get so I am sure i am doing something wrong...

41 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

sweet. I am playing around with it entering your numbers and I am not getting what you get so I am sure i am doing something wrong...

Okay, I'd messed something up, but I think I fixed it.

Let me know if it is still screwy.

I added two new rows, one for my method of Advantage expenditure, and one for general -X%, so that it is compatible with the normal expenditures.

1 hour ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Okay, I'd messed something up, but I think I fixed it.

Let me know if it is still screwy.

I added two new rows, one for my method of Advantage expenditure, and one for general -X%, so that it is compatible with the normal expenditures.

I think it is.working right now

7 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

I think it is.working right now

Good!

19 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Good!

So I found this map star-wars-galaxy-map.jpg

And I laid it over the map you use. When I get home I will have better tools So I plan compine them so I can figure out roughly where things are on the map and work out what the hyper space travel times would have to be in order to have it happen in 16 hours. I am thinking a happy medium might be more like 3 or 4 days... we will see. map_of_the_star_wars_galaxy__rise_of_sky

Edited by Daeglan

I'm thinking the PCs in the ST are flipping destiny points to reduce the travel time even more...

yeesh!

I think I'll significantly reduce travel times for my games, but not to ST standards...

I would just do it this way:

Its what is written in the rule books.

Travel times in the ST reflect advances in hyperspace engine technology in the ten years prior to TFA. Done. No headaches for playing during the Age of Rebellion / before the total collapse of the empire ^_^

I guess you still need a solution for the ST era.

2 hours ago, Doppelganger said:

I would just do it this way:

Its what is written in the rule books.

Travel times in the ST reflect advances in hyperspace engine technology in the ten years prior to TFA. Done. No headaches for playing during the Age of Rebellion / before the total collapse of the empire ^_^

I guess you still need a solution for the ST era.

Except that does not account for Rogue one. Or Revenge of the Sith.

Edited by Daeglan
On 1/28/2020 at 1:49 PM, Daeglan said:

Except that does not account for Rogue one. Or Revenge of the Sith.

True, but I hardly notice those compared to that hyperspace skipping. Having a rational explanation for the most egregious case where material shown differs from the rule books seems enough for me.

4 minutes ago, Doppelganger said:

True, but I hardly notice those compared to that hyperspace skipping. Having a rational explanation for the most egregious case where material shown differs from the rule books seems enough for me.

Hyperspace skipping seems like an old smuggler trick and I am ok with it. I like the idea. also I thinnk the travel times were assumed by WEG and I think they went way more conservative than George ever was. So i think the default times in the book are way way too long.

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