2 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

Claiming that canon is subjective is the same as saying that canon doesn't exist.

Might indeed be.

2 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

Disney doesn't care even a little bit how much or how little you accept the official Lucasfilm canon. Neither does Lucasfilm. But just because I really, really don't want Midichlorians to be part of canon doesn't make this so.

I couldn't care less, what Disney thinks about my acceptance. And if you don't want Midichlorians to be canon, all power to you. 😁

2 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

Even George Lucas can't agree that the OT is undisputed canon. He kept changing bits of it as long as he could.

That's George's problem, not mine. 😉

4 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Wtf? This is not how any of this works.

Says who? You? Disney? Sue me. 😉

To quote my favourite definition about the canon I care for:

43 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

[...] and then there is the important canon, headcanon, which is what you want it to be. [...]

4 minutes ago, DarthDude said:

Says who? You? Disney?

The dictionary.
Words have meaning.

No one is saying you can't have the headcanon that you want to. And if you can get your gaming group to agree? Then absolutely your Star Wars game can be based around that canon.

But Canon does have a specific definition, and yeah, it kind of gets to be decided by the entity who owns the IP.

You're allowed to ignore it all you want. But you don't get to define what is canon. They do.

You know? The worst possible news for the game is probably that this is what comes into discussion on a thread about FFG laying off its RPG staff...

@DarthDude, this whole problem would be fixed by saying "headcanon" instead of "canon" as those words have different meanings.

There. Now can this end?

2 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

The dictionary.
Words have meaning.

Fine for you if you use the dictionary for guidance. I can decide for myself if I accept Disney's canon or not. They are of course entitled to their canon, as I am entitled to mine. Can't see Disney forcing me to play my games by their canon.

2 minutes ago, AEinhorn said:

No one is saying you can't have the headcanon that you want to. And if you can get your gaming group to agree? Then absolutely your Star Wars game can be based around that canon.

But Canon does have a specific definition, and yeah, it kind of gets to be decided by the entity who owns the IP.

You're allowed to ignore it all you want. But you don't get to define what is canon. They do.

Exactly as you say, I choose to ignore their canon. And I can indeed define what's canon for me and can agree on that with my gaming group. They cannot hinder me legally, as I am aware of.

So is the RPG line staying active or not?

7 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

You know? The worst possible news for the game is probably that this is what comes into discussion on a thread about FFG laying off its RPG staff...

@DarthDude, this whole problem would be fixed by saying "headcanon" instead of "canon" as those words have different meanings.

There. Now can this end?

I end this the very second others stop to try to impose their definition of canon on me, weather you name it head canon or just canon, doesn't matter. If they let me defining for myself what canon is to me, I am cool. I don't impose my definition on them either, it's live and let live to me.

6 minutes ago, DarthDude said:

Fine for you if you use the dictionary for guidance. I can decide for myself if I accept Disney's canon or not. They are of course entitled to their canon, as I am entitled to mine. Can't see Disney forcing me to play my games by their canon.

Completely different discussion.

2 minutes ago, DarthDude said:

their definition of canon

*the

14 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

The dictionary.
Words have meaning.

Dictionaries do not tell you what words mean. They tell you how words are used. Lexicons tell you what words mean.

1 minute ago, Daeglan said:

Dictionaries do not tell you what words mean. They tell you how words are used. Lexicons tell you what words mean.

Lexicon is a synonym of Dictionary.

23 hours ago, daggertx said:

A monolithic corporation in bed with China does not decided what is and is not cannon. The players and fans on a personal level based on their own subjective needs/beliefs do. If we want a video game or comic to be considered cannon, it is.

Canon. You keep using that word … 😉

14 minutes ago, DarthDude said:

I end this the very second others stop to try to impose their definition of canon on me, weather you name it head canon or just canon, doesn't matter.

lol, that's not how words work.

"Hi, I'm a Christian."

"Oh, so you believe Jesus died for our sins?"

"Who?"

"Jesus, the guy at the heart of Christianity."

"Never heard of him."

"So, you're not a Christian?"

"I am too! You can't impose your definitions on me!"

2 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Canon. You keep using that word … 😉

Mistakes on a mobile happen, does not change that the fact that Disney does not decide THE canon unless we all signed some contract I am not aware of.

Just now, whafrog said:

"I am too! You can't impose your definitions on me!"

Actually that is how heretical cults work. So in away he is not wrong. You can at any point split from the main church and create your own canon. Or even better, decline the new canon from the old organisation and insist that the original canon is the true teaching. The "Old Catholic Church" for example decided that the new doctrine of an infallible pope is wrong and split off from the catholic church.

So you can create a new canon, but it will not be the main line nor can you claim that the original organisation is not in control of it's canon.

2 minutes ago, daggertx said:

Mistakes on a mobile happen, does not change that the fact that Disney does not decide THE canon unless we all signed some contract I am not aware of.

You can have whatever head canon you like. The Star Wars canon is what Disney decides.

3 hours ago, whafrog said:

lol, that's not how words work.

"Hi, I'm a Christian."

"Oh, so you believe Jesus died for our sins?"

"Who?"

"Jesus, the guy at the heart of Christianity."

"Never heard of him."

"So, you're not a Christian?"

"I am too! You can't impose your definitions on me!"

So who defines Christianity? Personally I’ve met a lot who define themselves as such, but their actions speak otherwise.

2 minutes ago, SEApocalypse said:

Actually that is how heretical cults work.

Yeah, I know, but those people are nuts...

1 minute ago, Eoen said:

So who defines Christianity? Personally I’ve met a lot who define themselves as such, but their action speak otherwise.

Oooo, let's not add that to the thread too...

3 minutes ago, whafrog said:

Yeah, I know, but those people are nuts...

Actually I kind of like the old Catholics. Female priests, bible over church dogma, reducing the pope to another bishop instead of Vicar of Christ. Not a bad fork if you ask me. 😉
Still, they can't claim to have control over the roman catholic canon. They tried, they failed, they left. 😉

1 hour ago, Eoen said:

So is the RPG line staying active or not?

At least until the vehicle book gets released, it's active.

After that comes out, it depends. We might get an announcement similar to the one for the Destiny card game that the RPG line is done. Or we might get an announcement of a new supplement of some fashion, though if it's another compellation-style book, then it's of greater likelihood that the line is just limping along so that the company can squeeze a few more bucks out of it before putting it to bed.

3 minutes ago, Donovan Morningfire said:

At least until the vehicle book gets released, it's active.

After that comes out, it depends. We might get an announcement similar to the one for the Destiny card game that the RPG line is done. Or we might get an announcement of a new supplement of some fashion, though if it's another compellation-style book, then it's of greater likelihood that the line is just limping along so that the company can squeeze a few more bucks out of it before putting it to bed.

Or possibly limping till we get an announcement of sequel era books now that the sequel trilogy is done for better or worse. I would love to see Old republic era book. I would love to see a golden age of the republic book. But FFG is so tight lipped it is hard to tell. I wish they were slightly more open. I think a happy medium between Palladium announce stuff and take years to actually finish and FFG say nothing till it is done would be nice.

1 hour ago, whafrog said:

lol, that's not how words work.

"Hi, I'm a Christian."

"Oh, so you believe Jesus died for our sins?"

"Who?"

"Jesus, the guy at the heart of Christianity."

"Never heard of him."

"So, you're not a Christian?"

"I am too! You can't impose your definitions on me!"

I'm no Christian. 😉