On 2/29/2020 at 12:04 PM, Khyrith said:

Personally, I would have loved a GM rules reference that compiled the dozens of “ideas to spend your dice results” charts from across all three lines. My players don’t have all 20+ books and no one carries 20+ books around so that they can quickly reference the one chart on investigations, or Astrogation, or ....

Its a pain that the only time a good 50% of any one book are needed is the 1st game you have with a group

after that I seem to only use a handful of books and only for the last 1/2 of them and never mind the core books (that are 80% the same)

1 hour ago, Oldmike1 said:

Its a pain that the only time a good 50% of any one book are needed is the 1st game you have with a group

after that I seem to only use a handful of books and only for the last 1/2 of them and never mind the core books (that are 80% the same)

And oggdudes on a laptop is better...

17 hours ago, bradknowles said:

Actually, I have done that. I have luggage for that express purpose.

I stopped doing it when I stopped playing SWRPG in person. You don’t need luggage to cart all the books around if you’re playing in roll20 or on Discord.

Roll20 actually makes it HARDER in some ways (we play exclusively there, as we are in four different states) - as players CAN'T share the books they DO have.

And yes, I know there are some... alternative … ways to get the books as a resource for an online group. And perhaps the quality and selection will improve (as the d20 and WEG materials did) as the game materials move further into after-market only.

8 hours ago, Khyrith said:

Roll20 actually makes it HARDER in some ways (we play exclusively there, as we are in four different states) - as players CAN'T share the books they DO have.

And yes, I know there are some... alternative … ways to get the books as a resource for an online group. And perhaps the quality and selection will improve (as the d20 and WEG materials did) as the game materials move further into after-market only.

That No Disintegrations boot scan has someone’s nasty thumb hangnail on all the left pages... more like YES Disintegrations and / or The Siege of Manicure, please.

22 hours ago, Khyrith said:

Roll20 actually makes it HARDER in some ways (we play exclusively there, as we are in four different states) - as players CAN'T share the books they DO have.

And yes, I know there are some... alternative … ways to get the books as a resource for an online group. And perhaps the quality and selection will improve (as the d20 and WEG materials did) as the game materials move further into after-market only.

TBH If I had the cash I would buy all the CRB & splat again, strip it down with TLC mixed with L&D, and scan the lot, oh well

... I've managed to get two more sets of dice at reasonable prices (below £15). Just keep checking the internet...

truth be told if the books were not so nice I might have done what I do with games workshop books AKA cut them up and make a new book out of them

most of the time I take 5 books and end up with one book as most of the info is useless

Breaking this game into Edge of the Empire, Age of Rebellion, and Force and Destiny initially was great to focus the game on one aspect at a time. But once they all start getting mixed together into a single campaign, it is less useful. And segregating the Star Wars RPG forums into three different areas (seven if you count the beginner games when they were separated out) was just chaos.

I did like how Starships and Speeders consolidated info sprayed across a lot of books.

Hey look at that! A new RPG Item: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/3/5/mutant-invasion/

Mind you, its Genesis not Wars. It's also a deck of cards, meaning it's print on demand with not a lot of development costs tied to it. . . but it's something!

27 minutes ago, Desslok said:

Hey look at that! A new RPG Item: https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2020/3/5/mutant-invasion/

Mind you, its Genesis not Wars. It's also a deck of cards, meaning it's print on demand with not a lot of development costs tied to it. . . but it's something!

And it’s tied into the upcoming already-announced Keyforge sourcebook, so the cards were likely already in the pipeline, too.

Well my hope for more stuff is pretty much gone now the books been out there was no news story on it even before it was out to push sales

if we are lucky they will keep printing the old books but the lack of any sales push (and little news at ALL the past year) tells me they have no plains

to bad the last 3 movies were not good or we may have gotten at lest one more book if not 2

1 hour ago, Oldmike1 said:

to bad the last 3 movies were not good or we may have gotten at lest one more book if not 2

Whether or not you enjoyed a particular set of movies would not preclude RPG supplements being made based upon their content.

7 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Whether or not you enjoyed a particular set of movies would not preclude RPG supplements being made based upon their content.

how fans take it dose affect it many did not like solo last jedi or rise and the ticket sales show that

16 minutes ago, Oldmike1 said:

how fans take it dose affect it many did not like solo last jedi or rise and the ticket sales show that

If we only look at box office in comparison to previous entries, then “many did not like” Empire ($548m) or RotJ ($475m) when compared to the original ($776m), yet we’ve gotten 3 core rulebooks, 25 sourcebooks, 7 adventure modules, and 3 Beginner Games out of that era’s setting. I think a trio of movies that all brought in over a billion each could manage a book or two.

The issue with using the stats from the OT is that A New Hope was a phenomenon, the first of its kind. Empire Strikes Back was probably a chance for some people to go, "Oh, I don't actually like this franchise all that much" resulting in the final result for RotJ.

Side note, adjusted for inflation, A New Hope made over 3 billion dollars. (assuming those numbers aren't screwed up)

25 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

If we only look at box office in comparison to previous entries, then “many did not like” Empire ($548m) or RotJ ($475m) when compared to the original ($776m), yet we’ve gotten 3 core rulebooks, 25 sourcebooks, 7 adventure modules, and 3 Beginner Games out of that era’s setting. I think a trio of movies that all brought in over a billion each could manage a book or two.

Did you adjust for inflation? cause that doesnt look like you did. You need to bring all the movies up to the same level money wise.

20 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

The issue with using the stats from the OT is that A New Hope was a phenomenon, the first of its kind. Empire Strikes Back was probably a chance for some people to go, "Oh, I don't actually like this franchise all that much" resulting in the final result for RotJ.

Side note, adjusted for inflation, A New Hope made over 3 billion dollars. (assuming those numbers aren't screwed up)

The Phantom Menace and The Force Awakens were (lesser) phenomenons too that their sequels couldn't duplicate. I wouldn't want to be James Cameron when Avatar 2 drops.

14 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

The issue with using the stats from the OT is that A New Hope was a phenomenon, the first of its kind. Empire Strikes Back was probably a chance for some people to go, "Oh, I don't actually like this franchise all that much" resulting in the final result for RotJ.

Consistent box office falloff from part 1 through to part 3 is a pretty consistent pattern for trilogies. Oddly enough, the only trilogy that I know of off the top of my head that bucked the trend was the prequel trilogy, with Revenge of the Sith taking a jump back up from Attack of the Clones' drop, but still not hitting The Phantom Menace's bar. But, I'd agree that - across the board - that pattern is rooted in what you describe: "Yeah, I really didn't like part 1, so I'll be skipping part 2."

19 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Side note, adjusted for inflation, A New Hope made over 3 billion dollars. (assuming those numbers aren't screwed up)

That's why I keep it to comparing the installments in the three trilogies, rather than trying to compare across decades. I frequently see claims along the lines of, "Well, The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker each brought in less than the installment before it, so it's proof positive that people didn't like the sequel trilogy," when the very same pattern is right there with the original trilogy.

3 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

Did you adjust for inflation? cause that doesnt look like you did. You need to bring all the movies up to the same level money wise.

Comparing the box office pattern of the three installments of two different trilogies doesn't require adjusting for inflation. In both cases, the third installment brought in less than the second, which brought in less than the first. If that pattern is proof that people didn't like the sequel trilogy, it's also proof that people didn't like the original trilogy.

If you wanna know what general moviegoers thought about a flick, look at its Cinemascore. Unlike rottentomatoes, users can’t review bomb it.

Trying to read the tea leaves about a movie’s reception vis a vis box office take gets messy not just because of inflation, but also number of screens, runtime, etc. Most people who go to the movies don’t think about them before or after they go. It blows my mind but in talking to someone I know who owns a couple movie theaters, a little less than half the people who show up at a theater don’t even know what they’re going to see when they get there, they just... GO. This blows my mind, but it’s apparently a thing.

So if you’re a Star Wars movie fan talking about the movie on social media, you’re a subset of a subset of a subset and it’s super easy for that to signal boost stuff like the notion that people people in general didn’t like The Last Jedi despite it having the same cinemascore rating as Rogue One and The Force Awakens.

Looking at a few other trilogies, I noticed another interesting outlier: The Matrix.

The original brought in $465m, the second took a huge jump up to $742m...with the third tumbling down to $427m. All I can guess is that as much of the original’s reputation was built on home video, people flocked to the sequel, then responded to it with, “Yeah...never mind.”m

Well, they did a TFA beginner game. However I don't know how well received that was.

3 hours ago, Rimsen said:

Well, they did a TFA beginner game. However I don't know how well received that was.

If nothing else, a decent number of people snapped it up for the galaxy map.

Personally, while I don’t know what else they would have called it at the time, I think titling it after a specific movie worked against it. Not because of any views about the movie, but because development and printing time saw it not even announced until after the movie’s home video release. The timing didn’t allow for the sort of marketing synergy that other licensees get, and that FFG itself was able to take advantage of for X-Wing.

43 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

If nothing else, a decent number of people snapped it up for the galaxy map.

Personally, while I don’t know what else they would have called it at the time, I think titling it after a specific movie worked against it. Not because of any views about the movie, but because development and printing time saw it not even announced until after the movie’s home video release. The timing didn’t allow for the sort of marketing synergy that other licensees get, and that FFG itself was able to take advantage of for X-Wing.

FFG is bad at marketing there RPG stuff in many ways.

The beginner game needed a better mini rule book and the core rules still are a big ask for players to make (its hard to get groups forming if starting cost is high)

Why was there no ad tie in for any of the moves at least on this web page and perhaps at game websights with something like "start your adventures in a galaxy far far away"

Rouge one and Solo seemed to be simple ones to tie into the game but I feel they never put much into it

Having worked with LFL on SWTOR, they are VERY unlikely to allow any actual direct tie-ins to anything canon in something non-canon. Battlefront gets canon tie-ins, because they are essentially 'canon' games.

The RPGs aren't canon, and I suspect its why they only did a one-off Beginner Game instead of any full books or sourcebooks to existing lines. And also why you find Legends material scattered about, alongside canon references, in all the books.

13 hours ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Side note, adjusted for inflation, A New Hope made over 3 billion dollars. (assuming those numbers aren't screwed up)

An excellent point. ANH is number two all time box office adjusted for inflation (behind "Gone with the Wind"). Like "Gone with the Wind" it has the benefits of multiple releases. The next closest Star Wars film is TFA at number 11. The sequels have always made less than the first part of a trilogy. While Star Wars is a phenomenon, turns out that the average citizen isn't as deeply invested as "a subset of a subset" as KalEl814 so rightly put it.