1 hour ago, DaverWattra said:

Also not good IMO. The Force should not be something that has a source aside from "all life."

But it is straight from George Lucas? 😉
Including that the cosmic force came before even life itself.

5 hours ago, DaverWattra said:

You seem to be assuming that quantity equals quality.

Mortis and the world between worlds simply do not fit with "life makes it grow" and "the Force surrounds us and binds us."

The Mortis arc is highly open to interpretation and does not have to be taken in a strictly literal sense. Mortis could also could be taken as powerful vergence that manifests personifications of the Force that "mere mortal visitors" can wrap their limited pysches around. When Yoda goes to Mortis towards the end of season six his entire arc plays out like a vision quest as much as it does anything else. All on-screen evidence and testimony must be interpreted.

5 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

But it is straight from George Lucas? 😉
Including that the cosmic force came before even life itself.

Lucas also invented midichlorians...

2 hours ago, Vondy said:

The Mortis arc is highly open to interpretation and does not have to be taken in a strictly literal sense. Mortis could also could be taken as powerful vergence that manifests personifications of the Force that "mere mortal visitors" can wrap their limited pysches around. When Yoda goes to Mortis towards the end of season six his entire arc plays out like a vision quest as much as it does anything else. All on-screen evidence and testimony must be interpreted.

Good point. Mortis is way less bad than the Stargate SG1 episode of Rebels.

It would be a good point if Yoda would not go to a total different place. 😉

1 hour ago, DaverWattra said:

Lucas also invented midichlorians...

Do you want to claim now as well that they are not real star wars?
Sounds to me like your head canon is real star wars and authors intention can go f themselves. Which is a valid point, if you replace real with "how I like"

Warning, some subtitles include profanity.

I'm telling you: Thrawn's arc in Rebels is Filoni's brilliant retelling of Melville's Moby D-i-c-k.

Once one accepts this deep and profound truth one will find that they are one with the Force and the Force will be with them.

And, I really need to find out what strain of weed Filoni and Lucas smoked out on when they came up with hyperspace whales...

On 1/12/2020 at 2:01 AM, SEApocalypse said:

It would be a good point if Yoda would not go to a total different place. 😉

Do you want to claim now as well that they are not real star wars?
Sounds to me like your head canon is real star wars and authors intention can go f themselves. Which is a valid point, if you replace real with "how I like"

What "real star wars" makes is up to debate. Is it just the OT? OT plus prequels (plus animated Clone Wars)? Or even including the new trilogy? Lucas opposes Disney's approach, Disney whiped Lucas canon clean. We are now in a state where everybody can make up their own "canon" or "real" star wars.

Luckily FFG decided to focus on the OT plus some newer material about the Clone Wars era. I guess we can all at least agree that the OT is the nucleus of "real" Star Wars. From there everybody can indeed define Star Wars "how they like" and I see nothing negative in it. The narrative dice mechanics is robust to cover most of each (but of the god like force power level in EP 9).

4 hours ago, DarthDude said:

Lucas opposes Disney's approach

Nope

4 hours ago, DarthDude said:

Disney whiped Lucas canon clean

Nope

4 hours ago, DarthDude said:

The narrative dice mechanics is robust to cover most of each

Yep

2 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Nope

Nope

Yep

I just trust Bobby Boy Iger's biography on that topic, that Lucas felt massively betrayed by Diney's Star Wars approach and that he was very critical of the new Trilogy and the direction Disney pushed Star Wars to. So what's the "real" Star Wars remains highly debatable. Is it the creator's two trilogies, including the animated Clone Wars as the? Is it the new owner's vision with the new trilogy?

Your choice, I'd say.

And back to the OP, I seriously doubt, that a Abrahams cut will better the whole situation. But if it's true and Abraham is truly miffed about the intervention of higher ups that produced the actual cinema version, then it does not shed a good light on the new trilogy consistency wise and shows how the IP is poorly handled by Lucasfilm/Disney.

6 hours ago, DarthDude said:

Disney whiped Lucas canon clean.

Lucas canon, or G-canon as it was known at the time, was never larger than the movies (and given how he was still making new versions of them until he sold out, probably not even that). Even Clone Wars was on a lower canon tier. George Lucas wiped out huge chunks of the Sacred EU whenever he fealt like it.

2 hours ago, DarthDude said:

I just trust Bobby Boy Iger's biography on that topic, that Lucas felt massively betrayed by Diney's Star Wars approach and that he was very critical of the new Trilogy and the direction Disney pushed Star Wars to.

Gross mischaracterization of what Iger wrote.
George was indeed critical of the new movies because he felt they needed to push more (technical) boundaries but that was not what he felt betrayed about. He felt betrayed because Disney also bought his storylines for the sequel trilogy and then did not use it.

49 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:

Gross mischaracterization of what Iger wrote.
George was indeed critical of the new movies because he felt they needed to push more (technical) boundaries but that was not what he felt betrayed about. He felt betrayed because Disney also bought his storylines for the sequel trilogy and then did not use it.

I also think he felt more Betrayed by Kathleen Kennedy than Disney

3 hours ago, DarthDude said:

So what's the "real" Star Wars remains highly debatable.

The answer is easy: Does it make money for Disney? Then it's Real Star Wars.

1 hour ago, Desslok said:

The answer is easy: Does it make money for Disney? Then it's Real Star Wars.

Disney right now -

On 1/12/2020 at 2:31 AM, Vondy said:

And, I really need to find out what strain of weed Filoni and Lucas smoked out on when they came up with hyperspace whales...

They did not. Hyperspace whales or mantas had been a thing since about 1983. Together with giant tentacle space-ship droids and other weird stuff.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lando_Calrissian_Adventures

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Oswaft

Weirdly, 11 year old me, when I first read Starcave, I went Wiskey Tango Foxtrot at the Space Mantas, but 50 year old me is okay with Space Mantas and Space Whales.

4 hours ago, SEApocalypse said:

They did not. Hyperspace whales or mantas had been a thing since about 1983. Together with giant tentacle space-ship droids and other weird stuff.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Lando_Calrissian_Adventures

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Oswaft

Was the person who came with the dreadnaught design trying to make it look like a flying dildo? Or is it just a normal Hollywood thing to make everything into a phallic symbol.

6 hours ago, Eoen said:

Was the person who came with the dreadnaught design trying to make it look like a flying dildo? Or is it just a normal Hollywood thing to make everything into a phallic symbol.

That would be Ralph Mcquarie. And i think itnis a case of vague shape that would direct a model maker...

2 minutes ago, Daeglan said:

That would be Ralph Mcquarie. And i think itnis a case of vague shape that would direct a model maker...

It could be worse. . . .

Much worse

7 hours ago, Eoen said:

Or is it just a normal Hollywood thing to make everything into a phallic symbol.

Ever see Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda? The main personal weapon of the High Guard was the force lance. It looked like a metal dildo.

I'm not really sure where the talking about the JJCut stopped, or where the TLJ arguments stopped...

Can't wait to see if any unreleased footage or verified ideas from the studio...

I would love to see an extended cut. I'm sure JJ had a different edit for the movie. The final edit makes me question not the director's vision, not the editors, not the producers, but top Disney brass. It seems like Disney has been very vindictive about their directors: Lord & Miller, Benioff & Weiss, Trevorrow, and now it seems Abrams himself isn't immune to the scrutiny. I know each situation has it's own story, but I will digress.

RoS wasn't bad, but it was sloppy. I loved a few scenes and a few shots. Some things made me cringe in embarrassment, some serious plot points just made me laugh. I won't get into the choices for the story, yadda yadda. I just didn't really feel like it was the closure of the saga it was making itself out to be.

But from where I stand, there will not be a JJCut of any kind. It probably doesn't exist. This just seems like a myth made of people who are not happy with the film. The board of shareholders voted to gut the movie, and money talks. All I can say to Disney and Lucasfilm at this point is: do better work.

TLJ>Ros>A couple of PT movies Lord George made.

Peace.