1 hour ago, KBlumhardt said:

My hope is that when we inevitably get a situation like Rescue or Lady Thor getting released, that their packs come with some sort of 'team-up' card or something that replaces their signature card in the affected deck (for instance, Rescue's deck would come with a new Signature card for Iron Man's deck that would replace his 'Pepper Potts' ally when both characters are used in the same game).

I’ve been wondering if they might eventually do something similar but with a villain pack containing a replacement Nemesis option for their Hero. If we get a Vulture pack, for example, if could come with a Doc Ock nemesis set that you could optionally swap in for Spidey for that Villain set (or others if you want to tweak difficulty for certain sets.)

Definitely some room for cool options like these—don’t think they’re necessary or likely for a while, but I do hope they keep flexible with their options!

With little to no effort I could easily mock something like this up and it would look legit. It's really not that hard to do. I'm not saying it's fake but signs definitely point that way.

1 hour ago, Muchato said:

With little to no effort I could easily mock something like this up and it would look legit. It's really not that hard to do. I'm not saying it's fake but signs definitely point that way.

I feel like I have to repeat myself over and over: Signs do not point to them being fake. In fact, if you did like 5 minutes of looking into things, you'd see that exactly the opposite is true.

From myself, literally a dozen or so comments ago:

"The nail in the coffin against these being fake is that the seller also had multiple unreleased Marvel Crisis Protocol sets, and included pics of the open boxes and miniature sprues. Based on that, these are definitely legit."

And that's not even counting all the other evidence pointing toward these being real.

2 hours ago, Muchato said:

With little to no effort I could easily mock something like this up and it would look legit. It's really not that hard to do. I'm not saying it's fake but signs definitely point that way.

By all means, prove it. These are accurate in every detail unlike say every single custom card I’ve seen made for the game (some look good, but you can easily tell that they aren’t real cards from a close inspection). If you can make something that looks this good, I’d suggest you could make a lot more money forging paintings...

The Hulk pack still hasn't shown up on eBay from what I can tell. I wonder if the guy is just waiting or if FFG have gotten involved.

16 hours ago, FearLord said:

If you are Natasha Romanov, no one can play the Black Widow (Natasha Romanov) Ally because the Subtitle and your card name are the same.

Yes you can. Alter-egos & hero’s don’t have subtitles so their name is their title and only their face-up name applies. Iron-Man isn’t Tony Stark while he is face-up and vice-versa. Natasha Romanov is the title of the alter-ego while the ally cards title is Black Widow with a subtitle of Natasha Romanov. And hero's and allies can have the same title as long as the subtitles don’t match and seeing as hero’s don’t have subtitles they can’t match.

9 minutes ago, Hyperjayman said:

Yes you can. Alter-egos & hero’s don’t have subtitles so their name is their title and only their face-up name applies. Iron-Man isn’t Tony Stark while he is face-up and vice-versa. Natasha Romanov is the title of the alter-ego while the ally cards title is Black Widow with a subtitle of Natasha Romanov. And hero's and allies can have the same title as long as the subtitles don’t match and seeing as hero’s don’t have subtitles they can’t match.

That is 100% NOT what the rules say. Try again.

To be helpful here is what the rules do say.

-No more than three copies (by title) of each non- unique card may be included in the deck.

-No more than one copy (by title) of each unique card may be included among the cards in the deck and the identity card. If two unique cards share the same title, but their subtitles/alter-egos differ, they may coexist in the deck.

> "The players as a group are permitted to have only one copy of each unique card (by title) in play."

> "If a hero and a unique ally share the same title, but the alter-ego and the subtitle are different, they may coexist in deckbuilding and in play."

(from Rulebook pg 18 - Unique).

This clearly says that if I am currently in Black Widow form, then no one can put into play an Ally named Black Widow unless it's subtitle is different from my Alter-Ego.

What could be made clearer, is whether the hero card "Black Widow" is still considered to be "in play" when I switch to the Alter-Ego of Natasha Romanoff. I think the answer should be "yes", but I'm struggling to find anywhere that this is clearly stated.

6 hours ago, Hyperjayman said:

Yes you can. Alter-egos & hero’s don’t have subtitles so their name is their title and only their face-up name applies. Iron-Man isn’t Tony Stark while he is face-up and vice-versa. Natasha Romanov is the title of the alter-ego while the ally cards title is Black Widow with a subtitle of Natasha Romanov. And hero's and allies can have the same title as long as the subtitles don’t match and seeing as hero’s don’t have subtitles they can’t match.

You need to read the full Unique rule again, particularly the last bullet point...

On 1/10/2020 at 7:04 AM, Greystar said:

What could be made clearer, is whether the hero card "Black Widow" is still considered to be "in play" when I switch to the Alter-Ego of Natasha Romanoff. I think the answer should be "yes", but I'm struggling to find anywhere that this is clearly stated.

This really is what this is all about.

If the hero side is NOT considered to be in play, one could play ally Black Widow while alter-ego is in play. The question then becomes: what happens when you try to flip from alter-ego to hero side?

I do think both sides are in play, however. Even though it's not entirely clear from the RRG, I think it's a safe assumption. The character(card) as a whole is in play, the side determines what "Form" the character is currently in.

For reference:

IDENTITY

Identity is a player card type that represents which character a player is playing in the game.A player’s identity card is a double-sided card that represents their hero on one side and their alter-ego on the other. The side that is face up indicates the form (hero or alter-ego) that player is currently in.

• Each player begins the game in alter-ego form.

• If a card refers to a hero or alter-ego by title, it refers only to the identity with that title, and not to the other side of the card.

IN PLAY AND OUT OF PLAY

Non-event cards that have been played or put into play are “in play” until a card ability or other game effect removes them from play. The top card of the villain deck and the top card of the main scheme deck are also in play.Cards in a player’s hand, deck, and discard pile, as well as cards in the encounter deck, encounter discard pile, and unrevealed cards in the villain deck and the main scheme deck are out of play. Any cards that have been removed from the game or that have been set aside are also out of play.

• A card enters play when it moves from an out-of-play area to a play area.

• A card leaves play when it moves from a play area to an out-of-play area.

• Card abilities only interact with, and can only target, cards that are in play, unless the ability text specifically refers to an out-of-play area.

• Card abilities on all card types except event cards and treachery cards can only be initiated or affect the game while they are in play unless they specifically refer to being used from an out-of-play area.

• Event cards and treachery cards implicitly resolve from an out-of-play area, by virtue of the rules pertaining to those card types.

FORM, CHANGE FORM

A player can be in either hero or alter-ego form at a given time. This is indicated by the player’s identity card.

• Once each round, during their turn, each player is permitted to change form by flipping their identity card.

• When a player changes form, only the form changes. The character retains their sustained damage, status cards, lasting effects, attachments, tokens, and current state (ready or exhausted).

• If a card ability causes a player to change forms, it does not count against the one voluntary form change the player is permitted during their turn that round.

• While a player is in hero form, card abilities that interact with their alter-ego do not interact with their identity.

• While a player is in alter-ego form, card abilities that interact with their hero do not interact with their identity.

The Black Widow Ally card has the subtitle Natasha Romanov. One of these titles would always clash with a double sided Black Widow / Natasha Romanov identity card. They are the same person. The purpose of the rule is prevent the same person being on the board twice, while specifically allowing two different people who share a super hero name such as (Yelena Black Widow or Miles Spider-Man or Sam Wilson Captain America, etc) to be on the board at once.

If they are the same person, they can’t be in play together.

I think you guys are reading waaaaaaay too much into the hero/alter-ego/ally thing.

It seems pretty clear what the rules are saying: if you want to play an ally that holds the same title as a hero in play, the ally's subtitle has to be different than the hero's alter-ego. Whether or not both of them are in play as Black Widow (or assuming a Miles Morales Spidey hero/ally makes an appearance, Spider-man) they are still two different people, so the rule against having two of [insert character] doesn't apply. They are different versions of the same character. They don't all of a sudden morph into the same person just because both are wearing the mantle of whatever hero it is.

I bought the Chinese Thor and Captain America that the same ebay seller had posted. Having opened the Captain America deck, the card stock is the same as the English version. I didn't open the Thor deck, since FFG wanted it returned.

4 hours ago, FearLord said:

The Black Widow Ally card has the subtitle Natasha Romanov. One of these titles would always clash with a double sided Black Widow / Natasha Romanov identity card. They are the same person. The purpose of the rule is prevent the same person being on the board twice, while specifically allowing two different people who share a super hero name such as (Yelena Black Widow or Miles Spider-Man or Sam Wilson Captain America, etc) to be on the board at once.

If they are the same person, they can’t be in play together.

I'd put money down that the first real example of this in play will be when they inevitably release a Hawkeye hero pack. He's almost guaranteed to have a Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) ally as one of his Signature cards and we'll have the exact situation that the rules are preparing us for, where when Hawkeye (Barton) is a hero, the Hawkeye (Bishop) ally will (obviously) be playable but the base set Hawkeye (Barton) ally will not be.

41 minutes ago, KBlumhardt said:

I'd put money down that the first real example of this in play will be when they inevitably release a Hawkeye hero pack. He's almost guaranteed to have a Hawkeye (Kate Bishop) ally as one of his Signature cards and we'll have the exact situation that the rules are preparing us for, where when Hawkeye (Barton) is a hero, the Hawkeye (Bishop) ally will (obviously) be playable but the base set Hawkeye (Barton) ally will not be.

Iii wouldn’t be shocked to see Kate as a Hero, which makes her a bit less likely to be a Hero-specific ally. Honestly I feel like Bobbi Morse might make sense for him? Sure that would limit the use of the core set Mockingbird, but I think by the time we see Clint as a hero that won’t be an issue.

I’d absolutely love to see Clint as a Ronin Ally at some point, though.

13 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

I’d absolutely love to see Clint as a Ronin Ally at some point, though.

This brings up an interesting wrinkle. I don't think there's anything in the rules right now that would prevent a Hawkeye Ally and a Ronin Ally (both Clint Barton) from co-existing, since they have different titles (but the same subtitle).

25 minutes ago, Greystar said:

This brings up an interesting wrinkle. I don't think there's anything in the rules right now that would prevent a Hawkeye Ally and a Ronin Ally (both Clint Barton) from co-existing, since they have different titles (but the same subtitle).

Huh, yeah. They’ll have to amend that when they inevitably release Falcon!Cap.

5 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

I’d absolutely love to see Clint as a Ronin Ally at some point, though.

I could actually see them releasing a Ronin Ally without a subtitle. His (or her, since the first one was Echo) whole schtick in the comics has been the mystery of who was behind the mask, and no one has held the moniker for very long. It would be super thematic to have no subtitle or simply have the subtitle be "???".

8 hours ago, KBlumhardt said:

I could actually see them releasing a Ronin Ally without a subtitle. His (or her, since the first one was Echo) whole schtick in the comics has been the mystery of who was behind the mask, and no one has held the moniker for very long. It would be super thematic to have no subtitle or simply have the subtitle be "???".

And they used it again with Blade in Ewing's Mighty Avengers.

Blade also go by the name « Spider heroe » in Ewing run, and I definitely want to see a « Spider Heroe » ally card, Lol !

I wanna play Ironman with Dr. Strange, supported by Wong and get the Hulk ally to screw-up;

"Dude, You're embarrassing me in front of the wizards!"