17 minutes ago, Ascarel said:

If Thor is Aggression, and Black Widow is next in the schedule, does that make her Justice?

I would assume so. It would be weird for them not to release a Justice pack next, especially at this stage where Justice still has such a limited card pool...

18 minutes ago, FearLord said:

I would assume so. It would be weird for them not to release a Justice pack next, especially at this stage where Justice still has such a limited card pool...

Does that fit with the character? I don't know much about her, but in the MCU she never struck me as a Justice-type archetype. I mean, she's a spy. Feels like the opposite actually. But what do I know...

The title "Justice" might not fit so well but that aspect focuses on schemes and removing threat and that's very super spy-ish.

15 minutes ago, Ascarel said:

Does that fit with the character? I don't know much about her, but in the MCU she never struck me as a Justice-type archetype. I mean, she's a spy. Feels like the opposite actually. But what do I know...

Aspects can fit in 2 ways - Motive (why they do things) and method (how they do things).

Black Widow's motive is more Protection than Justice, but her method fits Justice (as in thwarting the scheme).

Fits fine for her in my view - she could easily be themed around sneaking around and stopping the Villain’s plan while the fightier Avengers tackle the Villain head on.

2 hours ago, FearLord said:

I think Wong is much more likely to be a support. He isn’t someone who fights a lot in the comics.

Looks like someone hasn’t been reading the comics recently, then. 🤣

Thematically the aspects are suppose to basically fit every hero since they are all one aspect of heroism. Mechanically right now Justice is the aspect that makes the most sense for a super spy. I'm very excited to see what kind of Justice cards she has in her deck. I'm also excited to see how they take the concept of aspects like Justice and Aggression and turn them on their head such that an Aggression/Black Widow deck doesn't need to be an "I run up and hit the villain in the face as hard and fast as possible" deck.

I am excited if all these hero spoilers are true since they are all fantastic characters. I find it interesting that they chose to pick two heroes that already have allies cards though. Not that that is bad, but there are so many good characters in the Marvel universe. I almost wish they didn't put Hulk and Black Widow allies in the core if they were going to be released so soon since someone else could have a shot at some exposure.

Though by the same token my rationale for not getting a Daredevil hero deck in the near term is now moot, which makes me want to ring the bell for that guy. Daredevil is awesome.

20 minutes ago, phillos said:

Though by the same token my rationale for not getting a Daredevil hero deck in the near term is now moot, which makes me want to ring the bell for that guy. Daredevil is awesome.

Yeaaah he and Hawkeye are both up here for me, in Allies I’d like as Heroes, and Luke Cage and Sam Wilson are probably next in my line?

20 minutes ago, phillos said:

I am excited if all these hero spoilers are true since they are all fantastic characters. I find it interesting that they chose to pick two heroes that already have allies cards though. Not that that is bad, but there are so many good characters in the Marvel universe. I almost wish they didn't put Hulk and Black Widow allies in the core if they were going to be released so soon since someone else could have a shot at some exposure.

Though by the same token my rationale for not getting a Daredevil hero deck in the near term is now moot, which makes me want to ring the bell for that guy. Daredevil is awesome.

At least Black Widow and Hulk ally cards are not super essential. I've cut them both from most of my decks lately.

It will be much tougher for heroes who have really good ally versions like Daredevil or Vision.

That is true. To get the most out of Hulk you need to build to him and I have made Protection decks without Widow. Especially now that we have allies like Sam Alexander in Protection. That guy is great.

What if these Heroes have signature cards that do the same as their Ally version's actions? That would be interesting. Perhaps not the same, but something related or similar...

Could hulk have both a hero side and a scenarii side ? Because another aggression so soon after Thor seem repetitive.

That would be very interesting if we had heroes decks with villain version in the pack or a modular encounter set themed after them. It would be flavorful considering some heroes like Hulk or Punisher end up being antagonists just as often as they are protagonists. Though is there enough space to do that? Maybe for a modular encounter set you could do that and a full playable hero deck if you broken the pattern of including out of aspect cards in the box. Though a full villain scenario seems outside the possible card count of a hero pack.

Seems more likely a villain scenario could come with a hero card set (but not full playable deck) since that would just be 16 cards. Might be able to do that instead of including any modular encounter sets in the villain pack and still fit... actually no you need the nemesis and obligation cards too. Feels like that's pushing it.

Thanks. And sorry, I was day dreaming. like when I hope for a magical new aspect for Dr Strange

Yeah I doubt it’ll be too encounter-deck-central, but I do expect Hulk will still have a degree of uncontrollable-ness. Even if it’s just a card in his kit, and not something built directly into his Hero card.

I've been pretty impressed so far by the hero decks' ability to mix with all four factions, with some interesting interactions for each combination. While I think there are a couple stand-out best combinations, there've been enough reasons to try everything out a bit.

1 hour ago, Slobosoy1 said:

Could hulk have both a hero side and a scenarii side ? Because another aggression so soon after Thor seem repetitive.

Bear in mind that at the point when Hulk releases Thor has been out ages.

So we have;

Cap - Leadership

Ms Marvel - Protection

Thor - Aggression

Black Widow - ?

Dr Strange - ?

Hulk - ?

Hulk is likely to be Aggression.

Black Widow should be Justice to complete the first cycle of 1 of each for the first 4.

Dr Strange could be... Protection will be my guess

Black Widow went for $295 - just to get a few cards a couple of months early 🙄

8 minutes ago, Daft Blazer said:

Black Widow went for $295 - just to get a few cards a couple of months early 🙄

Hopefully FFG were the winning bid

Black Widow and Hulk showing up so soon increases the likelihood (I suppose) of other allies showing up in hero form. I'm also interested to see some of the existing heros in ally form too.

12 hours ago, phillos said:

That would be very interesting if we had heroes decks with villain version in the pack or a modular encounter set themed after them. It would be flavorful considering some heroes like Hulk or Punisher end up being antagonists just as often as they are protagonists. Though is there enough space to do that? Maybe for a modular encounter set you could do that and a full playable hero deck if you broken the pattern of including out of aspect cards in the box. Though a full villain scenario seems outside the possible card count of a hero pack.

Seems more likely a villain scenario could come with a hero card set (but not full playable deck) since that would just be 16 cards. Might be able to do that instead of including any modular encounter sets in the villain pack and still fit... actually no you need the nemesis and obligation cards too. Feels like that's pushing it.

I think it would be possible, if they wanted to - Green Goblin is 78 cards, but that includes 2 Scenarios (both a little larger than Core scenarios in terms of deck size I believe) and 4 modular sets (3 x 5 cards and 1 x 8 cards) - the modular sets alone total 23 cards (enough for an identity, 15 signature cards, 5 Nemesis cards and an obligation + a deck list card). Assuming they were happy to have just one scenario in there, that would still let you put in 25 cards to complete a deck and have 25 cards dedicated to a scenario...

Not sure how likely it would be, but could be a cool twist for certain characters that have been on both sides over the years...

Someone on Facebook has suggested things for the story box like Winter Soldier who could appear in a Red Skull themed campaign as a villain and then become available as a hero in later fights which might be fun (and the increased card count in those sets could let them play around with that idea a bit...)

14 hours ago, sverigesson said:

Looks like someone hasn’t been reading the comics recently, then. 🤣

This is true to be fair! I stopped reading around 2010, but I’ve recently started to catch up from where I left off with Marvel Unlimited, but I’m only up to about 2012 (Fear Itself event is just kicking off).

1 hour ago, FearLord said:

Someone on Facebook has suggested things for the story box like Winter Soldier who could appear in a Red Skull themed campaign as a villain and then become available as a hero in later fights which might be fun (and the increased card count in those sets could let them play around with that idea a bit...)

Instant buy for me. Granted, I'm buying everything else, but that particular campaign box is one I'd camp next to my mailbox for.

5 hours ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

Black Widow and Hulk showing up so soon increases the likelihood (I suppose) of other allies showing up in hero form. I'm also interested to see some of the existing heros in ally form too.

@SpiderMana why is this a bad thing?

5 hours ago, FearLord said:

I think it would be possible, if they wanted to - Green Goblin is 78 cards, but that includes 2 Scenarios (both a little larger than Core scenarios in terms of deck size I believe) and 4 modular sets (3 x 5 cards and 1 x 8 cards) - the modular sets alone total 23 cards (enough for an identity, 15 signature cards, 5 Nemesis cards and an obligation + a deck list card). Assuming they were happy to have just one scenario in there, that would still let you put in 25 cards to complete a deck and have 25 cards dedicated to a scenario...

Not sure how likely it would be, but could be a cool twist for certain characters that have been on both sides over the years...

Someone on Facebook has suggested things for the story box like Winter Soldier who could appear in a Red Skull themed campaign as a villain and then become available as a hero in later fights which might be fun (and the increased card count in those sets could let them play around with that idea a bit...)

Would certainly be cool if there was a Magus villain scenario that gave us Adam Warlock hero cards. Also obviously characters like Venom, Hulk, Punisher, Winter Soldier, Deadpool and even Doctor Doom all kinda would work well in that sort of format. Feel like there is some design space for an anti-hero themed cards and/or some mechanic centered around being an anti hero. Maybe cards that place threat on schemes to do damage or thwart at the cost of doing damage to friendly characters. Some sort of Black color pie stuff.

36 minutes ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

@SpiderMana why is this a bad thing?

I can see both sides.

It's not bad, but if they roll out a bunch of characters we've already seen they are kinda hampering the card pool options due to the uniqueness rule. Also thematically it makes the games roster of personalities smaller early on. I do think it's an odd choice to hit both ally and hero versions so early in the game's life when the possible pool of personalities is so high. Also it can be frustrating for a fan who is waiting desperately for the game to hit their favorite character to open a pack and find a character there we've already seen before.

Though maybe this is just a statement to say they aren't afraid to do that if they get excited about a design and want the perfect thematic match for the character. I respect that. So while I was originally scratching my head at it, now I am fine with it. To me the most important thing is they match theme to mechanics in a card game like this since it elevates the overall enjoyment of the game and helps us all remember the rules since they make sense for the character they are assigned. So if they had a great idea for both a Hulk ally and a Hulk hero then I'd rather both those cards be themed for Hulk rather than fudge it and theme it for someone close but not quite right like Drax or Strong Guy or something. I'd be distracted every time I played the card thinking "this should have been a Hulk card".

Personally I lean toward the ladder, and that is the perspective I think that is more far sighted since this game will eventually be big. It's just annoying now that the game is still very small player card wise. I'd rather look back and see good designs then look back and see half-baked designs but a wide roster.