Well, there goes my Starhawk Raddus list...

Also as this is a rules clarification not a full FAQ, when does it take effect? Thinking for the London/South-England Prime tomorrow...

As far as Raddus post-nerf goes... I think Admonition is the only real option for a flagship now? CR-90s are manueverable enough, but too squishy. Larger ships aren't maneuverable enough and cost too much given you're already paying well over 100 points for the ship you set aside.

Even then, knowing exactly which ship will drop Raddus will make it much easier to block any worthwile deplpyment with fighters and/or cheap ships.

1 minute ago, Grumbleduke said:

Well, there goes my Starhawk Raddus list...

Also as this is a rules clarification not a full FAQ, when does it take effect? Thinking for the London/South-England Prime tomorrow...

I would assume now.

58 minutes ago, Squark said:

As far as Raddus post-nerf goes... I think Admonition is the only real option for a flagship now? CR-90s are manueverable enough, but too squishy. Larger ships aren't maneuverable enough and cost too much given you're already paying well over 100 points for the ship you set aside.

Even then, knowing exactly which ship will drop Raddus will make it much easier to block any worthwile deplpyment with fighters and/or cheap ships.

Totally disagree. Since you can now drop the ship in distance 1-2 instead of just 1 the positioning of the flagship ship is much more lenient. I think raddus lists will shift to having him on large ships. I hope that we will see some mc30 drops now. I always thought Raddus would be cooler if he dropped some small ship like an mc30 instead of large ships.

Can they at the very least sell the updated cards? I would rather not have to refer to a printout to know what the physical card I already bought actually means.

13 minutes ago, Forresto said:

Can they at the very least sell the updated cards?

Come on man, FFG can barely print and distribute the products they've already designed, asking them to retype a card? that's just too much.

lol I too wish they'd sell an errata pack

They provided Rhymer so I guess they'll do eventually

16 minutes ago, Darth Sanguis said:

lol I too wish they'd sell an errata pack

Maybe when we get a card pack that will come with errata'd versions of non-unique cards. Reprints sometimes have the updated versions.

Or maybe we'll get a Raddus alt-art in one of the next kits.

Massive nerf. Makes using the MC75 Ordnance or any black dice heavy ship as the deep striker a much less viable option unless Raddus is on a big ship himself.

The Star Hawk ruling is completely understandable but this will mean the risk will now completely outweigh the reward of Raddus.

And fantastic timing - just when we're about to play the CC All Out Offensive in the next couple of weeks - and the Imps will almost certainly want to enforce this change. Oh well.

41 minutes ago, LordCola said:

Totally disagree. Since you can now drop the ship in range 1-2 instead of just 1 the positioning of the flagship ship is much more lenient. I think raddus lists will shift to having him on large ships. I hope that we will see some mc30 drops now. I always thought Raddus would be cooler if he dropped some small ship like an mc30 instead of large ships.

It's never been RANGE it's always been DISTANCE and still is, therefore it's still crap. Raddus on the Pelta still works but is too **** slow without engine techs.

Sorry if this is back tracking but...

My experience with JJ on anSSD is by the time you really need to use him TYE enemy ships are in you face and you can turn without bumping anyway... I have only played a few games with JJ on an SSD so my thoughts may be underdeveloped.

No need to Nerf JJ for SSDs IMO, is my point

43 minutes ago, LordCola said:

Totally disagree. Since you can now drop the ship in range 1-2 instead of just 1 the positioning of the flagship ship is much more lenient. I think raddus lists will shift to having him on large ships. I hope that we will see some mc30 drops now. I always thought Raddus would be cooler if he dropped some small ship like an mc30 instead of large ships.

Also, this means use of the MC75 Ordnance is likely to drop to near zero.

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1 hour ago, LordCola said:

My problem with raddus is that playing him was very easy. It allowed a play to beat a much better opponent (rather easily) in the low to medium skill level. He was never over powered in the very high tier skill level but to strong everywhere below that

That is simply wrong and this "arguments" can be adapted to Sloane or Rieekan. I played him 2 years now in Tournaments and it was never easy.

A command 3 nerf where enough but now Raddus is a round 1 drop Gimmick.

Sloane is still OP and still not nerfed. I guess FFG are just dedicated to the dark side.

4 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

It's never been RANGE it's always been DISTANCE and still is, therefore it's still crap. Raddus on the Pelta still works but is too **** slow without engine techs.

Yes, that was a mix up on my part. Meant distance, wrote range, good catch.

4 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

Also, this means use of the MC75 Ordnance is likely to drop to near zero.

It will drop but I think it will still be a good ship with Raddus. But instead of being the set aside ship it would be a good Raddus flagship. Raddus wants to get close to drop a ship and the Ordnance cruiser wants to get close as well. Sounds like a good synergy to me.

5 minutes ago, spike2109 said:

That is simply wrong and this "arguments" can be adapted to Sloane or Rieekan. I played him 2 years now in Tournaments and it was never easy.

A command 3 nerf where enough but now Raddus is a round 1 drop Gimmick.

I mean you are entitled to your opinion but I have to strongly disagree.

Raddus was good against players that did not know him well or certain fleet types. Because it was possible to hide most of your fleet points and potentially bring them to bear at the opportune point and time.

Now everyone knows where those points will come from and thus the element of surprise is removed.

you could maybe put him on a large ship, but at this point your either flying a 2 large list or his impact will be very low.

In the current meta he has been removed as an element. Rejoice at the corners that will be cut in the design of future lists.

12 minutes ago, Rune Taq said:

Sorry if this is back tracking but...

My experience with JJ on anSSD is by the time you really need to use him TYE enemy ships are in you face and you can turn without bumping anyway... I have only played a few games with JJ on an SSD so my thoughts may be underdeveloped.

No need to Nerf JJ for SSDs IMO, is my point

I think the same. I just played against him twice and was unimpressive. I easily could block him with a Tua Gozanti. I just didn't play enough to stand on my opinion yet.

9 minutes ago, LordCola said:

Yes, that was a mix up on my part. Meant distance, wrote range, good catch.

It will drop but I think it will still be a good ship with Raddus. But instead of being the set aside ship it would be a good Raddus flagship. Raddus wants to get close to drop a ship and the Ordnance cruiser wants to get close as well. Sounds like a good synergy to me.

I mean you are entitled to your opinion but I have to strongly disagree.

Whilst I see your points, the risk of Raddus being killed before the ship drops has now been dramatically increased unless you put him on a large ship which in turn dramatically changes and limits build options and tactics. Dodonna for the same points is now better (and some might state - always was).

Then again, Raddus on a Star Hawk dropping an MC75 sounds nasty but very, very expensive.

4 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

Then again, Raddus on a Star Hawk dropping an MC75 sounds nasty but very, very expensive.

Low activations, easy predictable, won't work.

The funny thing is, that you can equip Raddus to a MC75 with Profundity title and have a CR90 in the hangar. If you drop it you may re-equip the commander to the small ship and make a Raddus jump in distance 1-2 of that. I once played against such a list in a tournament and the flexibility of the deployment was crazy. The player could drop his set aside ship easily in the opponents deployment zone at the start of round 2. Now he could get nearly anywhere!

6 minutes ago, spike2109 said:

Low activations, easy predictable, won't work.

Yep, agreed. Sounds nasty if the 600 point game existed, but it doesn't.

The real problem isn't Raddus, it's that it kills the MC75 Ordnance Cruiser's viability. It's too big a target to ignore, not quite manueverable enough and those front black dice are now rendered pretty pointless apart from getting a single round of shooting (if you're lucky).

1 minute ago, Triangular said:

The funny thing is, that you can equip Raddus to a MC75 with Profundity title and have a CR90 in the hangar. If you drop it you may re-equip the commander to the small ship and make a Raddus jump in distance 1-2 of that. I once played against such a list in a tournament and the flexibility of the deployment was crazy. The player could drop his set aside ship easily in the opponents deployment zone at the start of round 2. Now he could get nearly anywhere!

Nice, didnt think of that.

5 minutes ago, Triangular said:

The funny thing is, that you can equip Raddus to a MC75 with Profundity title and have a CR90 in the hangar. If you drop it you may re-equip the commander to the small ship and make a Raddus jump in distance 1-2 of that. I once played against such a list in a tournament and the flexibility of the deployment was crazy. The player could drop his set aside ship easily in the opponents deployment zone at the start of round 2. Now he could get nearly anywhere!

I just had to try it out. The Raddus-Profundity-double-drop allows the deployment of a ship nearly at full range ruler length from the original flagship!