11 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

Maybe Tramp realized he was beaten and disappeared from the thread.

Maybe he decided you were all too thick-headed to be convinced.

1 hour ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Maybe he decided you were all too thick-headed to be convinced.

Lol. Now THAT'S an epic meeting of pot and kettle.

37 minutes ago, Jareth Valar said:

Lol. Now THAT'S an epic meeting of pot and kettle.

Well, entertain for a moment the possibility that he's correct. Now look at it from his perspective. In fact, his perspective would see it exactly the same way you are currently seeing it. See my point?

According to others who have interacted with him, his M.O. when he is wrong or whatever is to just disappear from threads, so /shrug

53 minutes ago, P-47 Thunderbolt said:

Well, entertain for a moment the possibility that he's correct. Now look at it from his perspective. In fact, his perspective would see it exactly the same way you are currently seeing it. See my point?

Except that, based upon previous interactions (both observed and participated in), when he’s still absolutely convinced he’s right, he doesn’t let it go. Heck...he spent days (at least) telling me how “wrong” I was to dislike a story element in The Rise of Skywalker that I even said wasn’t a deal breaker to me, just something that I felt unnecessary and counter-productive. But no...lots of “emphasis” in post after post about how wrong I was.

I haven’t disappeared. I just haven’t been online.

I’ll have to save any responses until tomorrow at the earliest.

3 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

I haven’t disappeared. I just haven’t been online.

I’ll have to save any responses until tomorrow at the earliest.

Oh goody. another post with a bunch of bolded text i will ignore because the emphasis wont convinse me. and the lack of actually addressing the narration rules. so why bother even reading it. YOu gonna address the narration rules yet Tramp?

And here I was thinking the curse had finally been broken...

6 hours ago, Vode said:

And here I was thinking the curse had finally been broken...

Nope.

Jango Fett saw his shadow, so we get six more weeks of walls of ranting text with semi-randomly bolded words.

The funniest aspect to this for me is that the thing Tramp doesn’t like about how armor is modeled - the point of this thread - is the thing that literally proves Tramp wrong for 30+ pages. Because armor can make an attack “miss”. Tramp doesn’t like that. Literally the designers made the rules this way on purpose and Tramp has already admitted it.
So as Tramp has been quoting miss rules from as many sections as he can manage he cannot avoid the reality staring us all in the face that armor can make an attack “miss” which means the most reasonable and natural way to narrate this - and to one so pedantic as Tramp literally the ONLY way - is that it hit but bounced off.

1 hour ago, Jedi Ronin said:

The funniest aspect to this for me is that the thing Tramp doesn’t like about how armor is modeled - the point of this thread - is the thing that literally proves Tramp wrong for 30+ pages. Because armor can make an attack “miss”. Tramp doesn’t like that. Literally the designers made the rules this way on purpose and Tramp has already admitted it.
So as Tramp has been quoting miss rules from as many sections as he can manage he cannot avoid the reality staring us all in the face that armor can make an attack “miss” which means the most reasonable and natural way to narrate this - and to one so pedantic as Tramp literally the ONLY way - is that it hit but bounced off.

Which happens in real life with armor. As several people who have done a fair amount of actual fighting in armor have confirmed happens in real life.

2 hours ago, Daeglan said:

Which happens in real life with armor. As several people who have done a fair amount of actual fighting in armor have confirmed happens in real life.

The more I think about it the more impressive it is how thoroughly Tramp proved my core point correct and his assertions incorrect.
He spent all that time quoting and constructing his point around an assertion about what a miss and a hit are (and without citation applies it to narration), going through various rules sections (never citing narration rules and guidelines) and it all falls apart when you go back to his original complaint about armor: if armor can cause a miss by intentional design then a miss is not what he was claiming and the designers intended a miss to be open to interpretation and literally a miss can touch you and still be a failure.

So can armor make people miss?

6 minutes ago, Jawa4thewin said:

So can armor make people miss?

define miss. In real life it can cause an attack to skip off the person doing no damage. Would you call that a miss?

11 minutes ago, Jawa4thewin said:

So can armor make people miss?

Here we go again...

Mechanically, in-game, in very strict terms, yes.
Narratively, no. (with some rare exceptions)

21 minutes ago, Jawa4thewin said:

So can armor make people miss?

No. Armor can minimize or deflect damage. It cannot cause an attack itself to miss completely.

46 minutes ago, Jawa4thewin said:

So can armor make people miss?

Mechanically speaking, yes. Armor with a Defense rating adds one or more setbacks to the roll. The addition of that die can lead to a failure.

Whether you narrate that failure as an attack that doesn’t get through the armor or a complete whiff is up to you.

Also yes in real life.

*so excited to see the embers of this thread enflamed again...*

Sam's antics are the best antics.

So, I read page 1, and then skipped here to page 37.
Ridiculous. FFG, Asmodee, whoever? Can you please give topic authors the ability to block/ban certain users from replying to their threads? I don't see anything wrong with a user saying, "I don't need to hear anything this guy has to say."

On 5/25/2020 at 8:14 AM, The Grand Falloon said:

So, I read page 1, and then skipped here to page 37.
Ridiculous. FFG, Asmodee, whoever? Can you please give topic authors the ability to block/ban certain users from replying to their threads? I don't see anything wrong with a user saying, "I don't need to hear anything this guy has to say."

But by doing this you have missed such gems!

For example, on page 16, Donal Tramp uses his grandmother as an example to justify the damage soak system of this game. Glorious!

Quote,"Houserules" End quote

On 5/22/2020 at 12:13 PM, Tramp Graphics said:

No. Armor can minimize or deflect damage. It cannot cause an attack itself to miss completely.

Are you sure? Can you explain that out a bit more?

8 minutes ago, Jawa4thewin said:

Are you sure? Can you explain that out a bit more?

Yes, I’m sure. Armor only comes into effect when you are physically struck by an attack, be it melee or ranged. The attack must make direct contact with the armor; it has to hit the target. I’m game terms, this means a successful attack roll. Only then does the armor either deflect or absorb the damage from it. The armor does not make the wearer suddenly more nimble allowing him to dodge the incoming attack more easily. On the contrary. Armor actually restricts range of motion to various degrees and slows the wearer down. This makes it actually easier for an attack to land. Nor does armor magically create a field that causes attacks to bypass the target completely. No. For armor to be effective, the attack must first hit the target. Then, and only then , does armor have an impact on how effective the attack was. This is demonstrable fact.