You have 50 points to buff a faction of your choice.
In this hypothetical balancing of points a 'buff' is defined as a points reduction to a pilot or upgrade.
50 points per faction. Your turn. Take the controls.
Max of 6pt buff per ship or upgrade. (Thanks Herowannabe)
Edited by Greedo_SharpshooterFaction: Scum
32 pts of Pilots Buffs: Palob (-2), Spice Runner (-4), Bounty Hunter (-4), Zealous Recruit (-4), Fenn Rau (-2), Escape Craft L3-37 (-3), 4-LOM (-3), Jakku Gunrunner (-2), Black Sun Soldier (-2), Drea (-3), Assaj Ventress (-3).
16 pts of Upgrade Buffs : Marauder title (-2), 0-0-0 (-2), Maul (-2), Han Gunner (-2), Bossk Gunner (-2), Moldy Crow title (-2), IG-200 title (-1), Lando's Millennium Falcon title (-3).
2 pts of Illicit Buffs: Deadman's Switch (-1), Contraband Cybernetics (-1).
Total: 50 points.
Edited by Greedo_SharpshooterWell if all we’re doing is trying to buff a faction...
Rebels
Lothal Rebel VCX-100 (-50)
18 pts
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Anyone care to face 8 Ghosts with upgrades? 32 attack dice behind 112 health. Anyone?
32 minutes ago, Greedo_Sharpshooter said:Faction: Scum
39 pts of Pilots Buffs: Palob (-2), Spice Runner (-4), Bounty Hunter (-4), Zealous Recruit (-4), Fenn Rau (-2), Escape Craft L3-37 (-3), Escape Craft Outer Rim Pioneer (-2), Escape Craft Lando (-2), 4-LOM (-3), Jakku Gunrunner (-2), Black Sun Soldier (-2), Drea (-3), Prince Xizor (-3), Assaj Ventress (-3).
17 pts of Upgrade Buffs : Marauder title (-2), 0-0-0 (-2), Lando (-1), Maul (-2), Han Gunner (-2), Bossk Gunner (-2), Moldy Crow title (-2), IG-200 title (-1), Lando's Millennium Falcon title (-3).
4 pts of Illicit Buffs: Rigged Cargo Chute (-2), Deadman's Switch (-1), Contraband Cybernetics (-1).
Total: 50 points.
Hmmm
39+17+4 = not 50
19 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:Well if all we’re doing is trying to buff a faction...
Rebels
Lothal Rebel VCX-100 (-50) 18 pts .
Anyone care to face 8 Ghosts with upgrades? 32 attack dice behind 112 health. Anyone?
haha. im going to suggest a max of 6pt buff per pilot or upgrade. having said that play 6 ghosts would be hilarious
3 minutes ago, Roundy1161 said:Hmmm
39+17+4 = not 50
ok so i got a lil carried away with the buffing
have updated points. should break even at 50pts now
thnx for the headsup.
1 hour ago, Greedo_Sharpshooter said:Faction: Scum
32 pts of Pilots Buffs: Palob (-2), Spice Runner (-4), Bounty Hunter (-4), Zealous Recruit (-4), Fenn Rau (-2), Escape Craft L3-37 (-3), 4-LOM (-3), Jakku Gunrunner (-2), Black Sun Soldier (-2), Drea (-3), Assaj Ventress (-3).
16 pts of Upgrade Buffs : Marauder title (-2), 0-0-0 (-2), Maul (-2), Han Gunner (-2), Bossk Gunner (-2), Moldy Crow title (-2), IG-200 title (-1), Lando's Millennium Falcon title (-3).
2 pts of Illicit Buffs: Deadman's Switch (-1), Contraband Cybernetics (-1).
Total: 50 points.
At first I was thinking the Jakku Gunrunner buff was unnecessary but they are changing tractors soon, so who knows? Not sure why you want to push 4-LOM any harder, he's already a pain in the butt. Face value though, I agree with a lot of there. Especially Lando's title. It should probably be free just so that poor ship can see some relevance.
Midnight: -3 pts
Malarus: -5 pts
Static: -3 pts
TN 3465: -2 pts
Jim: -1 pt
Blackout: -2 pt
Thannison: -2 pt
Stridan: -2 pt
Cardinal: -3 pt
Dormitz: -8 pt AND ERRATA that adds the keyword SMALL to ability
Hyperspace Tracking: -6 pt
Targeting sync: -4 pt
Kylo crew: -2 pt
Snoke: -3 pt
Hux: -4 pt
Spend points to make Tavson and Kylo more expensive. Scorch is on thin ice too.
Edited by Hoarder of Garlic BreadT-70 s-foils -6 points, to a cost of -6.
Heroic -6 points, to a cost of -5.
Generic T-70 pilots -6 points each.
Nein Nunb and Ello Asty -6 points each.
Now you get Ello, Nein and 3 Red Squadron Experts, all with Heroic, in 200 points.
Edit: I just realised I could also do Black One to a negative cost too to get that in and afford a few other upgrades too.
Edited by DasharrI thought of a better way to break a faction.
Techno Union Bomber -6 (to 20). Hyena Struts -6 (to -5). Energy Shell Charges -6 (to -1). Captain Sear -6 (to 33). Soulless One -6 (to 0). Impervium Plating -6 (to -2). Kraken -6 (to 4). DRK-1 Probes -6 (to -1). That's 6×8=48 total cost reduction. So:
Sear+Soulless+Impervium+Kraken is 33+0+(-2)+(4)= 35.
TUB+Struts+ESC+Proximity-mines is 20+(-5)+(-1)+6= 20.
TUB+Struts+ESC+DRK is 20+(-5)+(-1)+(-1)= 17.
Sear plus 7 TUBs (one with DRK, the other 6 with Proxies) is 35+(20×6)+17= 172. Plenty for Munitions Failsafe or Delayed Fuses on all the Hyenas and still have a massive bid.
-2: I would bring down trajectory simulator down to 8 (so a Cutlass Squadron Pilot with TS and proton bombs is 51 points).
-6: Then I would probably make the generic TIE/x1 pilots 2 points cheaper, as well as Zertik Storm.
-4: Make all named strikers 42 points, so Sabacc and Countdown -2 each.
-16: Defenders could come down a bit more, and the past point updates reduced them by a lot already, but I think the named pilots could come down another 3 or 4 points, so Rexler Brath and Countess Ryas to 78 and Vessery to 80. Onyx to 72 and Delta to 67.
-4: Death Troopers, since 2 crew slots and only Admiral Sloane synergizes, so you need at least a Deci to bring both. ISB slicers aren't really good either since the only non-red jam is on the reaper, which is too fast to jam consistently.
We probably should bring down the crews that are not faction specific down 2 or 3 points across the board (maybe leave out perceptive co-pilot). There is such a high competition at the crew slot that many of them could be 0 points and would not be played a lot.
This is probably what I would try fixing with points, though Aggressors are obviously pretty bad currently, redundancy is what is making them bad, we need new upgrades to fix it. I think the same is true for the Reaper, which is just a bad Lambda Shuttle alternative. Other ships that aren't used currently should come back with I5 I6 nerfs.
Soulless one, impervium, energy shells, separatist bomber, TA-175, prox mines, landing struts, shield upgrade down by six each gets you this with like 10 points to spare:
Alternatively, you can get passive proton torp blade veterans to 25 points under your scheme.
Edited by AblazonedVCX-100:
Chopper, Hera, Kanan -7 each
lothal rebel -8
E-Wing:(add tech slot to all)
Knave -2
Rogue -2
Gavin -3
Corran -4
YT-2400:
Fringer -5
Dash -5
Leebo +crew slot
Rebels:
My favorite faction (Republic) doesn't need 50 points in buffs but here's a few wishlist items:
• Synchonized Console -1
• Battle Meditation -2 per initiative level
• Blue Squadron Protectors -1
• Swoop, Axe, Kickback, and Oddball -2 each
• Seventh Squad Veteran, Jag -1 each
• Amidala -1
• Handmaidens -2
• P4-P44 -3
• Matchstick, Oddball -2 each
• Chandelor Palpatine -2
Bonus content
• all single slot missiles -1 each
• Electro-proton bomb -4
15 hours ago, thecamdamage said:At first I was thinking the Jakku Gunrunner buff was unnecessary but they are changing tractors soon, so who knows? Not sure why you want to push 4-LOM any harder, he's already a pain in the butt. Face value though, I agree with a lot of there. Especially Lando's title. It should probably be free just so that poor ship can see some relevance.
4-LOM is costly. justifiably so i guess but when scum was new he saw way more play and was my favorite pilot. had him in a squad with kavil, boba and gunrunner. he did some work. was always a priority target and took the heat of my other ships in the early rounds. now with scum best ships costed the way they are its very hard to play a 4 ship squad wout stripping the upgrades right down. in comparison rebels can throw together a tanky 4 ship list and has the luxury of running a few significant upgrades or some interchangable pilots.
Edited by Greedo_SharpshooterSeparatist Drone: -6 (15)
Separatist Bomber: -6 (23)
DRK Probe Droids: -4 (1)
Grappling Struts:: -1 (0)
Captain Sear: -6 (33)
TA-175: 4 (1)
Soulless one: -5 (1)
Energy Shells: -3 (1)
Discord Missiles: -5 (1)
You'd get something like:
Sear /w TA175, soulless
2x vultures with shells/struts
1x hyena with drk, struts/discords
2x hyenas with struts/discords
2x hyenas with struts/homing missiles
all at initiative 3.
Enjoy! (this is why we don't do this)
18 hours ago, Greedo_Sharpshooter said:Faction: Scum
32 pts of Pilots Buffs: Palob (-2), Spice Runner (-4), Bounty Hunter (-4), Zealous Recruit (-4), Fenn Rau (-2), Escape Craft L3-37 (-3), 4-LOM (-3), Jakku Gunrunner (-2), Black Sun Soldier (-2), Drea (-3), Assaj Ventress (-3).
16 pts of Upgrade Buffs : Marauder title (-2), 0-0-0 (-2), Maul (-2), Han Gunner (-2), Bossk Gunner (-2), Moldy Crow title (-2), IG-200 title (-1), Lando's Millennium Falcon title (-3).
2 pts of Illicit Buffs: Deadman's Switch (-1), Contraband Cybernetics (-1).
Total: 50 points.
Disclaimer: trying to be balanced.
31 pts of Pilot buffs : Tansarii Point Veteran (-2), Bounty Hunter (-4), Jakku Gunrunner (-2), Drea (-4), IG-88 (all 4 -2), Cartel Executioner (-2), Dengar (-6), Dalan Oberos Starviper (-3)
15 pts of Upgrade Buffs : Marauder title (-3), Andrasta title (-2), Maul (-2), Moldy Crow title (-2), IG-200 title (-1), Punishing One title (-2), Lando's Millennium Falcon title (-3).
4 pts of Illicit Buffs: Deadman's Switch (-1), Contraband Cybernetics (-1), Feedback Array (-1), Rigged Cargo Chute (-1).
3 hours ago, Greedo_Sharpshooter said:4-LOM is costly. justifiably so i guess but when scum was new he saw way more play and was my favorite pilot. had him in a squad with kavil, boba and gunrunner. he did some work. was always a priority target and took the heat of my other ships in the early rounds. now with scum best ships costed the way they are its very hard to play a 4 ship squad wout stripping the upgrades right down. in comparison rebels can throw together a tanky 4 ship list and has the luxury of running a few significant upgrades or some interchangable pilots.
I play a LOT of 4-LOM 4 ship lists. It's very doable(and very good).
4 hours ago, Cerebrawl said:I play a LOT of 4-LOM 4 ship lists. It's very doable(and very good).
respect.
care to share a squad list to two?
19 minutes ago, Greedo_Sharpshooter said:respect.
care to share a squad list to two?
4-LOM: Adv Sensors, Crack Shot, Mist Hunter, Jamming Beam
Old Teroch: Predator
Seevor: Crack Shot
Black Sun Assassin: Crack Shot
4-LOM: Adv Sensors, Crack Shot, Mist Hunter, Jamming Beam
Old Teroch: Predator
Seevor:
Torani Kulda: Swarm Tactics
4-LOM: Adv Sensors, Crack Shot, Mist Hunter, Jamming Beam
Fenn Rau: Predator
Seevor: Crack Shot
Unkar Plutt
4 point bid.
4-LOM: Adv Sensors, Intimidation, Mist Hunter, Jamming Beam
Sol Sixxa: Proximity Mines, Intimidation, Dorsal Turret
Jakku Gunrunner
Cartel Executioner: Intimidation
Edited by Cerebrawlfirst squad listed looks pretty fearsome. which if these have you had the most success with. Seevor has become and auto-include in my squads now. so good for 30pts.
2 hours ago, Greedo_Sharpshooter said:first squad listed looks pretty fearsome. which if these have you had the most success with. Seevor has become and auto-include in my squads now. so good for 30pts.
They're all 1-0. Played once, won once. I've got more iterations(including some with Quinn Jast, and some with Talonbane), they're all 1-0. Opponents have been local imperial veterans testing tournament lists(triple aces, jendon 2x inq soontir, vader echo deathrain, etc).
Edited by CerebrawlRebels
YT2400 -18 points, title -10 points
Luke crew -6 points
Ezra crew -4 points
Han crew -4 points
Selfless -1 point
Wookie Ships -3 points
Fenn Rau -4 points
17 hours ago, Greedo_Sharpshooter said:first squad listed looks pretty fearsome. which if these have you had the most success with. Seevor has become and auto-include in my squads now. so good for 30pts.
It's good as long as you have, or face, ships that act after it. Including at the same initiative step. (The Swarm Tactics on Torani Kulda in one of the lists is so Seevor can shoot before Torani). Goes well with 4-LOM thanks to shared initiative.
The value drops significantly otherwise(only matters for unspent locks, or when Seevor is getting shot at).