Hi everybody,

Sorry for my english, I'm a French Canadian, I'll do my best.

My friends and I are a little confused about the concepts of hit points, remaining hit points and damage tokens. Example : I have a unit with 3 hit points with 2 damage tokens on it... what is the hit points of the unit : one or three ? Can my opponent with 2 skavens in play can kill it with Deathmaster Sniktch ? Can my opponent can return this unit to my hand with Har Ganeth ?

The rulebook is not clear about it.

Thank you and have fun !

You probably want to post this kind of thing in the rules forum.

The answer to your question is that HP and damage are independent, so in the example you gave the unit has 3 HP. The "remaining" in Deathmaster's text is most likely a templating error, as he always uses the current HP of the unit when you declare the effect and when it resolves. So he cannot kill the 3 HP unit until another Skaven card is in play or it loses HP and Har Ganeth cannot bounce it either.

I don't like this kind of ruling. Hit points written in the bottom left corner in my opinion is just a state of hit points after unit enters play. Why would any card effect refer to the written on card number of HP when a unit is heavely damaged? Why there's a need to treat Bloodthirster with 7 dmg markers on him as he is a fresh and healed unit? That doesn't make sense. If the offcicial rulling is in opposition to my understatnding, than ok. But even than I'd rather play it the way i see it as it is more logical imho.

I don't know why people have such an issue with this. In other card games I've played the idea is the same. It's been a long time since I played MTG, but a creature's toughness doesn't change during combat does it? It seems to me, since the term "Hit Points" is being used, people are treating this like a RPG. It's not.

RM