There were legitimate concerns in the past two years, but in the recent months it was revitalized and now I'm positive that it has at the very least 3-4 good years left, but I expect more.

One issue for new players is that a lot of important expansions are near impossible to find unless they are willing to pay triple the cost. It’s pretty difficult to find some of the best ships for both sides. I would suggest checking ebay and trying to buy a whole lot off of someone getting out of the game.

11 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Why are we convinced there are no new GCW ship classes coming for so long? Have they said so?

Nothing in stone, but to make the new factions even relatively competitive with the current factions, you'd need 4 solid expansion phases for just them...and this would likely take priority over anything else in Armada. With FFGs current pace, their spread of priorities, their production bottleneck, the fact that they can't keep anything currently produced in stock, their history of falling far behind estimated release schedules, etc.... I think it's safe to assume it could easily be 2022 before we see another GCW addition...and that's pretty generous.

I believe in a stream somewhere they announced a rough plan of 1 in 5 releases being GCW. So far we know Wave 8 is delayed to 1/2020 at least, and we have nothing on CW content besides a vague "it's coming" right now. I'd be surprised if CW stuff actually released in 2020. I figure it will be announced as such, but then eventually delayed to Q1 of 2021. Just think of the spread between wave 4 and wave 8 (5 waves for the 1 in 5 announcement). You're talking wave 4 announced 5/16 and released 8/16 and wave 8 announced 8/19 and maybe released 1/2020. That's a 3 year gap between announcements and a 3.5 year gap between releases. In all honestly, someone saying 4 years of no GCW content may not actually be far off.

I hope I'm wrong, but all we have to base this on is vague statements and a less than spectacular track record.

7 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

and we have nothing on CW content besides a vague "it's coming" right now.

Q4 2020 was stated.

Not this turn... *exhausts Rieekan*

5 hours ago, kmanweiss said:

Nothing in stone, but to make the new factions even relatively competitive with the current factions, you'd need 4 solid expansion phases for just them...and this would likely take priority over anything else in Armada. With FFGs current pace, their spread of priorities, their production bottleneck, the fact that they can't keep anything currently produced in stock, their history of falling far behind estimated release schedules, etc.... I think it's safe to assume it could easily be 2022 before we see another GCW addition...and that's pretty generous.

I believe in a stream somewhere they announced a rough plan of 1 in 5 releases being GCW. So far we know Wave 8 is delayed to 1/2020 at least, and we have nothing on CW content besides a vague "it's coming" right now. I'd be surprised if CW stuff actually released in 2020. I figure it will be announced as such, but then eventually delayed to Q1 of 2021. Just think of the spread between wave 4 and wave 8 (5 waves for the 1 in 5 announcement). You're talking wave 4 announced 5/16 and released 8/16 and wave 8 announced 8/19 and maybe released 1/2020. That's a 3 year gap between announcements and a 3.5 year gap between releases. In all honestly, someone saying 4 years of no GCW content may not actually be far off.

I hope I'm wrong, but all we have to base this on is vague statements and a less than spectacular track record.

Just so long as we’re clear that this is speculation, not fact.

Because just having two new factions announced places us in uncharted territory already.

To be honest, having rare GCW releases doesn’t bother me much now that there aren’t many strong candidates left. I’d sooner see a conversion pack for CW content like V-wings and ARC-170s than something like the Arrestor.

If you think about, anything that was used in the CW period will still be functional at the time of the GCW.....

..... so REALLY everything they release could be a potential GCW release as well, so until we see how they actually work it into the game, theres no need for doom mongering

Yet*

Regarding the question, no Armada is not dying but...

... Is a matter of time Legion will do.

XD

21 hours ago, kmanweiss said:

Nothing in stone, but to make the new factions even relatively competitive with the current factions, you'd need 4 solid expansion phases for just them...and this would likely take priority over anything else in Armada. With FFGs current pace, their spread of priorities, their production bottleneck, the fact that they can't keep anything currently produced in stock, their history of falling far behind estimated release schedules, etc.... I think it's safe to assume it could easily be 2022 before we see another GCW addition...and that's pretty generous.

I believe in a stream somewhere they announced a rough plan of 1 in 5 releases being GCW. So far we know Wave 8 is delayed to 1/2020 at least, and we have nothing on CW content besides a vague "it's coming" right now. I'd be surprised if CW stuff actually released in 2020. I figure it will be announced as such, but then eventually delayed to Q1 of 2021. Just think of the spread between wave 4 and wave 8 (5 waves for the 1 in 5 announcement). You're talking wave 4 announced 5/16 and released 8/16 and wave 8 announced 8/19 and maybe released 1/2020. That's a 3 year gap between announcements and a 3.5 year gap between releases. In all honestly, someone saying 4 years of no GCW content may not actually be far off.

I hope I'm wrong, but all we have to base this on is vague statements and a less than spectacular track record.

Yes FFG state it would be roughly "80% CW and 20% GCW" as far as releases go.

On 12/30/2019 at 11:58 AM, Kramerr said:

Is Armada seeing the same fate as Imperial Assault ?? Looking at getting into this game, but if it is on its way out......there is no sense in starting.....

Things have been a little slow the last couple of years with FFG's priority shifting to making Legion and X-wing 2.0 playable... but we're getting 2 new factions this year, and they have a plethora of ships in both.

Things are really fun in Armada right now after the release of RitR. I just wish FFG would sort out the OP.

On 12/31/2019 at 5:26 AM, Attackmack said:

Fair enough. Perhaps the clone wars core set will be a "2nd" edition and they dont want to reprint anything now if they plan on repackaging it next year.

They stated bluntly last year that they have no plans for a second edition of Armada at this point. They game is in a very balanced place and the game mechanics are very good. Only thing I think some people say that is legit is squads tend to be a bit to powerful.

So unless they changed there mind recently I think we are not getting armada 2.0. We will probably get updated rule booklets in the new core set. Maybe some updated upgrade card language of the new CW core have existing upgrades that were FAQ'd.

On 12/31/2019 at 2:10 AM, The Jabbawookie said:

Why are we convinced there are no new GCW ship classes coming for so long? Have they said so?

kmanweiss pretty much summed it up, but I'm going off precedent with what we saw in X-Wing 1.0. Releases there were much more frequent and populous, and even then Scum got the lion's share of every wave. It wasn't a faction I was interested in, and honestly I was miffed to see 1. Space and effort given over to this faction I didn't care to be a part of and 2. This faction given power cards and combinations that made many working combos in the current factions obsolete.

So I'm wary of a time when some power combination comes out from the new factions that makes them the hotness while the GCW factions rust, getting only choice upgrades out of packs but can't compete with faction specific ships and cards and squadrons. Unless those card packs contain new ships to radically refit some of them into new roles (looking at you, VSDs), I'm worried competitiveness will rest with the Clone Wars factions and the GCW is going to be pushed out.

I'll be honest, I'd be over the moon if we were getting first order vs resistance instead, so half my muttering is over the era itself. Starting on clone wars now we have to dig through 2 ships a year for nothing but clone wars into the future, putting us further from the sequel era which has my interest better. Honestly with how hard it is to get an Armada game going for me now I wonder if I should just wait for that era to be announced before getting excited about the game again.

14 hours ago, Norsehound said:

I'll be honest, I'd be over the moon if we were getting first order vs resistance instead, so half my muttering is over the era itself. Starting on clone wars now we have to dig through 2 ships a year for nothing but clone wars into the future, putting us further from the sequel era which has my interest better. Honestly with how hard it is to get an Armada game going for me now I wonder if I should just wait for that era to be announced before getting excited about the game again.

It's funny, because my gaming group is very excited about prequel era ships coming to Armada. Two of my friends have already said they are going to go in as soon as the new factions are released. They're waiting to see if a new core set is released for republic and CIS before they buy anything though. Personally, I'm not excited about either era, but I am excited about more people playing Armada.

Thats the thing about factions in a war game. Some factions appeal to some players. Others do not. Generally speaking, the more factions you have that are well done and well supported, the more players you will attract with different tastes, leading to a more varied and more healthy games.

Personally, I love Empire, Scum, Clones, and CIS. I have no interest in Rebels, FO, or Res, and don't even bother looking at their release articles. At my LGS, X-Wing took off when Scum was introduced, Legion is becoming popular only now with CW, and nobody want to play Armada with only two factions to choose from, but are looking to give it a try with CW.

10 hours ago, thestag said:

It's funny, because my gaming group is very excited about prequel era ships coming to Armada. Two of my friends have already said they are going to go in as soon as the new factions are released. They're waiting to see if a new core set is released for republic and CIS before they buy anything though. Personally, I'm not excited about either era, but I am excited about more people playing Armada.

And with plenty of folk having grown up on the prequels and the clone-wars cartoon, it makes perfect sense to start depicting those ships, especially since there's been demand. I could wish FO and RES based on the hotness of the new films, but I think any chance of that sunk with the controversy of The Last Jedi (and probably died with Rise of Skywalker).

Really I'm just bummed at the slow release cycle of Armada. It would be a thing if it's a year out before FO/RES, but likely not since Clone Wars has to catch up. It's not my thing, and with this being the next thing for a long while it's a bit hard to get excited about the future, personally.

To each their own.

3 minutes ago, Norsehound said:

To each their own.

I know it's not the same, but you can always paint matte-gray Republic and Rebel CIS ships.

Might even give it more of an EAW feel, if you're into that.

On 1/3/2020 at 2:14 AM, Norsehound said:

I'll be honest, I'd be over the moon if we were getting first order vs resistance instead, so half my muttering is over the era itself. Starting on clone wars now we have to dig through 2 ships a year for nothing but clone wars into the future, putting us further from the sequel era which has my interest better. Honestly with how hard it is to get an Armada game going for me now I wonder if I should just wait for that era to be announced before getting excited about the game again.

I honestly am shocked to hear this - there are almost no new ships from the FO/Res era - barely a fraction of the diversity provided by Clone Wars. Most of them are barely different versions of GCW ships.

I guess I just don't see why options bringing in new players is bad.

Also, Armada is quite well balanced in general, and they've managed to keep their various ships relevant even after 8 waves of releases, so I count that as a win for game balance. I doubt Clone Wars will be so overpowering that the other factions can't hold up.

On 1/4/2020 at 1:03 AM, AverageBoss said:

Thats the thing about factions in a war game. Some factions appeal to some players. Others do not. Generally speaking, the more factions you have that are well done and well supported , the more players you will attract with different tastes, leading to a more varied and more healthy games.

I agree, but bolded the most important part. FFG hasn't really done a great job of ongoing support of the GCW factions. Spreading their resources to 4 factions or more and I think you'll cause problems. People that are Imp or Rebel fans that don't see anything new for them over a span of a couple years while likely having to buy up new faction stuff to get new upgrades they need to keep their fleets competitive could very well get burnt out and quit.

36 minutes ago, kmanweiss said:

People that are Imp or Rebel fans that don't see anything new for them over a span of a couple years while likely having to buy up new faction stuff to get new upgrades they need to keep their fleets competitive could very well get burnt out and quit.

Could any Armada player imagine how it would feel like, if there would be no new expansions for several months, even a year! Maybe even no annoncements other than delays. In the forums people asking "is Armada dying?" and complaining about squadrons beging OP!

If I try to think about that ... I'm shivering inside! No, I can't!

Technically everything is dying as the universe succumbs to entropy and a slow heat death eons from now.

Super looking forward to Clone Wars Era Ships.

6 days into the year, surprised it took so long for this to pop up.

16 minutes ago, solaria said:

6 days into the year, surprised it took so long for this to pop up.

To be fair, it started December 30 🤣

The Clone Wars will keep Armada going for a while, and new GCW content will probably be sprinkled in, but I doubt that the Sequel Trilogy will come to Armada. The ST has a very low amount of warship classes to bring to the table, which is very disappointing for me as the space battles and ship designs are a major part of Star Wars appeal to me.

2 hours ago, Piratical Moustache said:The ST has a very low amount of warship classes to bring to the table,

That is the biggest disappointment for me,

Rise of the Skywalker had a real chance to have a more nautical theme and have proper space battles ( proper meaning not copy and paste background image of a fleet but RoJ or R1 style battles).

on the horizon we have Mandalorian, Cassian Andor and Kenobi TV shows but I hardly think they will stories around ships and ship battles ( unless they have an executive producer who also happens to be an Armada player).