Another question. In the Management Phase, the rules state:

Teams can gain one token matching a strategic effect at each location with a friendly base or that they placed a presence sticker at this turn.

So, does that mean that if we have a 3 bases and get new presence in 2 new systems during the turn, during this phase we could get the strategic tokens from up to 3 of these locations? But if in the next turn, and we have 4 bases and gain 1 more presence, we could get a maximum of 4 tokens from some combination of these 4 bases and 1 new presence location?

Thanks!

On 12/27/2019 at 3:24 PM, Aahz 1 said:

Another question. In the Management Phase, the rules state:

Teams can gain one token matching a strategic effect at each location with a friendly base or that they placed a presence sticker at this turn.

So, does that mean that if we have a 3 bases and get new presence in 2 new systems during the turn, during this phase we could get the strategic tokens from up to 3 of these locations? But if in the next turn, and we have 4 bases and gain 1 more presence, we could get a maximum of 4 tokens from some combination of these 4 bases and 1 new presence location?

Thanks!

My understanding is that that "or" is not excluding one or the other, so the team can gain 1 strategic effect per base plus any location they gained presence that round. But english is not my first language so I may be wrong.

On 12/27/2019 at 12:45 PM, Lemmiwinks86 said:

My understanding is that that "or" is not excluding one or the other, so the team can gains 1 strategic effect per base plus any location they gained presence that round. But english is not my first language so I may be wrong.

This is how we have been playing the campaign. Gain your strategic effects for your bases AND the locations you gained presence that round.

Thanks @Lemmiwinks86 and @Fraggle_Rock . Is that what everyone else out there in Armada-land is doing as well? Get strategy tokens for all your bases plus the new systems you gained presence in that round?

That's how we've been doing our campaign as well. It's written a little weirdly but overall I think it's meant to be both. I think the wording to prevent a team from taking a location, building a base there and getting double effect from 1 place. So if it has a base OR you just placed a presence there you get a token, but if you did both you only get 1 token still.

On 12/31/2019 at 1:05 PM, Aahz 1 said:

Thanks @Lemmiwinks86 and @Fraggle_Rock . Is that what everyone else out there in Armada-land is doing as well? Get strategy tokens for all your bases plus the new systems you gained presence in that round?

That's how my group is playing. And that's how it should be done as per page 17 step 2 of the "Management Phase" section.

"Teams can gain one token matching a strategic effect at each location with a friendly base or that they placed a presence sticker at this turn. If a location has more than one strategic effect, that team must choose one strategic effect from which to gain a token."

Currently this is what the rebels will be able to generate at the end of this round, as we won at two locations this time.

Mandalore - Ally* or repair yards
Felucia - Resources*
Mygeeto - Diplo* or Resourses (Base)
Lothal - Resources* (Base)
Montross - Skilled Spacers* (Base)
Sullust - Skilled Spacers or Resources* (Base)

Asterisk next to option is planned to take.

Do teams keep unused Resource tokens??

What about Skilled Spacers?

Unused Destiny and Spynet tokens? Yes, they remain with the player to which they were distributed.

Unused Ally and Repair tokens? I’m thinking...no?

Thanks!

On 12/31/2019 at 7:05 PM, Aahz 1 said:

Thanks @Lemmiwinks86 and @Fraggle_Rock . Is that what everyone else out there in Armada-land is doing as well? Get strategy tokens for all your bases plus the new systems you gained presence in that round?

Yes, that's how we are playing as well. We also keep unused token, otherwise you wouldn't be able to build new bases (you spend last rounds rescoures to build a base before receiving new ones, if I'm not mistaken).

4 hours ago, WhatsArmadaWithYou said:

Do teams keep unused Resource tokens??

Tokens are gained and added to the team or fleet roster. "After a strategic effect token is spent, it is discarded and removed from that team or fleet roster." The implication being that they aren't otherwise removed (as we're not told to remove them at any point).

If you couldn't store them up you couldn't use most of the tokens as you'd get them in one round, but don't get the opportunity to use them until the next round.

Thanks @Deeple101 .

On 1/3/2020 at 1:27 PM, Deeple101 said:

That's how my group is playing. And that's how it should be done as per page 17 step 2 of the "Management Phase" section.

"Teams can gain one token matching a strategic effect at each location with a friendly base OR that they placed a presence sticker at this turn. If a location has more than one strategic effect, that team must choose one strategic effect from which to gain a token."

The issue I'm raising is the use of "or" in this sentence (I bolded and underlined it above). The question I was raising is whether the rules are using the word "or" in its actual meaning (a choice between two things) or whether they don't mean that and it's really an "and" (with the exception being you can't collect twice from the same spot even if in that turn you got presence and built a base on that same location). We concluded that they meant the latter, but they really should have thought about the conjunction they used in this sentence...

I agree with @TheWampa and @Grumbleduke . You only get rid of used tokens - you can store extras. Of course, there's little point to storing too many diplomats and ally tokens as you can only play 1 of each per round, but it could happen that you find yourself with too many of them (which I think is why the locations with those tokens have an alternative for you to take).

4 hours ago, Aahz 1 said:

The question I was raising is whether the rules are using the word "or" in its actual meaning (a choice between two things) or whether they don't mean that and it's really an "and" (with the exception being you can't collect twice from the same spot even if in that turn you got presence and built a base on that same location).

It means the former; as in a choice between two things. But it applies to "location" not to "at."

It is :

1. "Teams can gain...." [what happens]
2. "...one token..." [what is gained - so modifying "gain"]
3. "... matching a strategic effect .." [describes the token, modifying "token"]
4. "... at each location..." [tells us where we check for the tokens, still modifying "token"]
5. "...with a friendly base or that they placed a presence sticker at this turn." [tells us which locations, so modifying "location"]

So let's pretend you are a computer and you want to know what happens. You need to go through each location and check "is this a location with a friendly base or that they placed a presence sticker at this turn." If yes, they can gain one token matching it.

Or to put it another way, to work out what the "or" follows from, you cut out everything from that point up to and including the "or". So:

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{Teams can gain} {one token matching a strategic effect} {at each location} {with a friendly base} or {that they placed a presence sticker at this turn}.

That makes perfect sense. If you wanted it to go back further so you had to choose between friendly bases or new presence stickers, you'd need something like:

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{Teams can gain} {one token matching a strategic effect} {at} { each location with a friendly base} or { each location that they placed a presence sticker at this turn}.

It's a quirk of English; the default is that the "or" modifies the most recent thing. If you want an "or" to modify something further back in the sentence you need some way of marking that (either extra words or in spoken English often a pause, maybe even a comma).

"Or" and "and" can sometimes be interchangeable in English but can each sometimes mean opposite things (I had to teach some set/probability notation this evening, and warned students away from using "and" and "or" because of this) but here "and" would have a different meaning:

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{Teams can gain} {one token matching a strategic effect} {at each location} {with a friendly base} AND {that they placed a presence sticker at this turn}.

Without a comma in there (before the "and") or some other change, that "and" is linking "with a friendly base" to "that they placed a presence sticker at." Meaning you would only get Strategic Effect tokens from places that you built a base on this turn, and then only if you "conquered" that location this turn as well. Meaning no bases, as you can't gain resources to build them.