5 hours ago, Managarmr said:

Also, the Hypersperspace stutter/skippy jumping at the start of Ros is throwing over board ALL the rules. Suddenly you can calculate jumps in 0.5secs, follow a jumping ship in 0.5s, so even less calc time for the pursuers!! Tracking from small snubfighters nevertheless! And immediately jump again (no upload time or straight line acceleration to light speed for your hyperdrive neccessary all of a sudden).

Well, to be fair, according to the Visual Dictionary, all of Poe's hyperspace jumps during that sequence were precalculated. So it wasn't like they were calculating new jumps at each place.

Star Wars has been terribly inconsistent with physics, especially the rules of hyperspace, stretching back to the days of the OT. I just sort of shrug now and ignore it.

1 hour ago, Captain Warden said:

Well, to be fair, according to the Visual Dictionary, all of Poe's hyperspace jumps during that sequence were precalculated. So it wasn't like they were calculating new jumps at each place.

Star Wars has been terribly inconsistent with physics, especially the rules of hyperspace, stretching back to the days of the OT. I just sort of shrug now and ignore it.

The pursuers, though, cannot have it precalculated.

4 hours ago, Captain Warden said:

Well, to be fair, according to the Visual Dictionary, all of Poe's hyperspace jumps during that sequence were precalculated. So it wasn't like they were calculating new jumps at each place.

Star Wars has been terribly inconsistent with physics, especially the rules of hyperspace, stretching back to the days of the OT. I just sort of shrug now and ignore it.

This movie breaks with so many rules established in canon!

I wouldn't want to be a writer trying to justify all the BS Jayjay came up with.

Lol, I can only imagine how many empty bottles Pablo Hidalgo had stared into the bottom of over this trilogy.

Oh Pablo, you poor guy, who fixes all our Canon, and gives us such a wonderful sandbox. Cheers to you, you beautiful man.

13 hours ago, Managarmr said:

but froth at the mouth of arcing shots in TLJ.

Ok, but that was also sooooooper dumb. Otherwise, I wholly agree with the rest of your post.

On 1/13/2020 at 3:54 PM, Managarmr said:

The pursuers, though, cannot have it precalculated.

They were using the hyperspace tracking that was established in TLJ.

4 hours ago, Captain Warden said:

They were using the hyperspace tracking that was established in TLJ.

The tracking device (huge thingie) was on a capital ship. That is one of the issues I have, and also wrote above. Suddenly even the small snubfighters can do the tracking (in ca. 0.5 seconds) while simultaneously wildly swerving around as well (so the pilot is absolutely fully occupied).

And no, a capital ship doing the tracking somewehere else, would never be able to analyse the jump start, calculate the aim, and send the hyperspace data for the correspondent jump the pursuers have to do, in time (ca 0.5 seconds) to the pursuers. That is just BS.

And the pursuers, not knowing if and how many jumps are coming, still have no drive upload time or straight line acceleration to light speed for your hyperdrive neccessary, all of a sudden. Sorry, it makes no sense. Because it is only there for a thrill and lense flares.

23 minutes ago, Managarmr said:

so the pilot is absolutely fully occupied

Largely agree with your point but this thing has a crew of two.

FO condenses the tech pretty quick, gunner operates it while pilot fires chin-mounted guns.

No TIE/fos in this chase, fortunately, so I can use this excuse.

13 hours ago, Managarmr said:

Sorry, it makes no sense. Because it is only there for a thrill and lense flares.

This sums up the whole Sequel Trilogy.

12 hours ago, Managarmr said:

The tracking device (huge thingie) was on a capital ship. That is one of the issues I have, and also wrote above. Suddenly even the small snubfighters can do the tracking (in ca. 0.5 seconds) while simultaneously wildly swerving around as well (so the pilot is absolutely fully occupied).

And no, a capital ship doing the tracking somewehere else, would never be able to analyse the jump start, calculate the aim, and send the hyperspace data for the correspondent jump the pursuers have to do, in time (ca 0.5 seconds) to the pursuers. That is just BS.

And the pursuers, not knowing if and how many jumps are coming, still have no drive upload time or straight line acceleration to light speed for your hyperdrive neccessary, all of a sudden. Sorry, it makes no sense. Because it is only there for a thrill and lense flares.

Y'all really can't just sit back and enjoy s**t can you?

55 minutes ago, KCDodger said:

Y'all really can't just sit back and enjoy s**t can you?

Respectfully, I think you just asked a person to not use their fate-given own brain. To accept what was given, and not ask for more. To turn off their greatest asset, the mind.

As a chronic overthinking individual myself, I sympathize. Believe me, if this brain-thing had an off switch, I'd have flipped it already. Years of counseling and therapy and medication could not alter how I was formed, and how I exist. I just ask every question without realizing it. So yeah, I too get ripped out of the moment too when there are major holes like this. Yes, I understand that any system can be expanded and evolve. And I'm okay with adding in content. But when your own content doesn't follow the stated and sensible rules of your own content, you lose people like me.

Not that we're incapable of 'just enjoying' stuff. Like I love John Wick. Do I know that the level of gun-fu is insane? You bet! But it's consistently insane, so I can join the ride and kinda go with it. Only the occasional hiccup. But it's experience is predicated on it being that way, so off we go. Really folk like us just need a set of consistent rules. A few minutes of exposition and we're right back with you.

Please don't belittle our fellow forum members for being who they are, just as we should all do the same. In the words of /\/\entor, we hunger for steak and were given scraps.

1 hour ago, KCDodger said:

Y'all really can't just sit back and enjoy s**t can you?

If you want to turn off you brain might as well watch the ceiling, no need to pay for cinema tickets.

Look guys I'm just saying that the hyperspace skipping thing is no big deal.

20 minutes ago, KCDodger said:

Look guys I'm just saying that the hyperspace skipping thing is no big deal.

To you maybe not, but obviously to a lot of us who have enjoyed stories in this universe for decades, it’s a very big deal when you throw established rules out the window just because you want something to look cool.

50 minutes ago, KCDodger said:

Look guys I'm just saying that the hyperspace skipping thing is no big deal.

Consider, Pablo Hidalgo of the story group got his job by learning all the rules of the old Canon and in turn using that knowledge to guide sorry telling and consistency of the ongoing universe. His job doesn't exist if it's not a big deal. And because the old universe did have consistent-ish rules, he's able to help us all play. He's now kinda like Finn, he's kinda a big deal 😄

For any of us who play the FFG RPGs for instance, we really need canonical rules for how a thing functions in the sandbox, if we're to use it in our own story telling for playing games. Not that I myself play in this RPG setting currently, but as a long time DM in other games I could not in good faith run a game in the sequel universe. It doesn't have consistent enough grounds rules for a player group to be able to follow. Far too much of the universe is now predicated on the desires of the plot than the needs of the sandbox. I would be strung up by my players for using sick magical plot holes to get them to the next encounter 😟

3 hours ago, Vykk Draygo said:

To you maybe not, but obviously to a lot of us who have enjoyed stories in this universe for decades, it’s a very big deal when you throw established rules out the window just because you want something to look cool.

Who exactly, do you think you're talking to? A new age fan who just jumped in? My earliest memories are of the death star trench run. My first viewing of Star Wars had to have happened as early as 1994. POSSIBLY earlier, but I know my earliest memory is of that. I remember being there for the release days of every new star wars film, and the rereleases of the original films on the silver screen. There is not one Star Wars film I haven't seen on the big screen. Not one. There never will be one I miss.

How do you think a young child spent their time between those movies? How many hours do you think I lost on the great and not so great Star Wars games? How many have I played that you've barely heard of?

I'm 27 years old, and I'm no longer a new age or young Star Wars fan by the modern count. I'm an old guard at this point, fresher than the eldest guard, but I've been here since before the prequels.

Who do you think you're talking to? I have enjoyed these stories, through the films, games, books and assorted media, as long as I have been alive. This franchise permeates everything I do.

So when you exclude somebody from that caste, remember what you're assuming. The difference is, I never lost sight of the fact that I began to love Star Wars as a child, and that when I see these movies, I let that child see them before I let the adult ruin it for them. I never forgot what it was like to love Star Wars for what it was, rather than what I wanted it to be.

3 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

Consider, Pablo Hidalgo of the story group got his job by learning all the rules of the old Canon and in turn using that knowledge to guide sorry telling and consistency of the ongoing universe. His job doesn't exist if it's not a big deal. And because the old universe did have consistent-ish rules, he's able to help us all play. He's now kinda like Finn, he's kinda a big deal 😄

For any of us who play the FFG RPGs for instance, we really need canonical rules for how a thing functions in the sandbox, if we're to use it in our own story telling for playing games. Not that I myself play in this RPG setting currently, but as a long time DM in other games I could not in good faith run a game in the sequel universe. It doesn't have consistent enough grounds rules for a player group to be able to follow. Far too much of the universe is now predicated on the desires of the plot than the needs of the sandbox. I would be strung up by my players for using sick magical plot holes to get them to the next encounter 😟

Trust me, I know of Hidalgo. I don't know if you remember this, but I'm the reason Star Wars: Rebels has a presence on this forum. Yeah he's done more than that, but trust me that name came into serious prominence when he started answering questions weekly during Rebels Recon. I've tread these grounds for a long time now.

I feel like people forget I'm a veteran on this forum. I've been here since Wave 3 and before Disney's acquisition of the license in 2014.

Hilariously, I remember seeing the concept art first released for rebels and rolling my eyes at another story about another crew of another Corellian designed ship fighting The Empire with another set of force sensitives.

That was never a new concept to me.

But, I will agree with you on something. On the following.

"😟But as a long time DM in other games I could not in good faith run a game in the sequel universe. It doesn't have consistent enough grounds rules for a player group to be able to follow. Far too much of the universe is now predicated on the desires of the plot than the needs of the sandbox. I would be strung up by my players for using sick magical plot holes to get them to the next encounter."

I cannot begin to tell you how much it pains me to concede that you are unequivocally correct.

1 hour ago, KCDodger said:

Who exactly, do you think you're talking to? A new age fan who just jumped in? My earliest memories are of the death star trench run. My first viewing of Star Wars had to have happened as early as 1994. POSSIBLY earlier, but I know my earliest memory is of that. I remember being there for the release days of every new star wars film, and the rereleases of the original films on the silver screen. There is not one Star Wars film I haven't seen on the big screen. Not one. There never will be one I miss.

How do you think a young child spent their time between those movies? How many hours do you think I lost on the great and not so great Star Wars games? How many have I played that you've barely heard of?

I'm 27 years old, and I'm no longer a new age or young Star Wars fan by the modern count. I'm an old guard at this point, fresher than the eldest guard, but I've been here since before the prequels.

Who do you think you're talking to? I have enjoyed these stories, through the films, games, books and assorted media, as long as I have been alive. This franchise permeates everything I do.

So when you exclude somebody from that caste, remember what you're assuming. The difference is, I never lost sight of the fact that I began to love Star Wars as a child, and that when I see these movies, I let that child see them before I let the adult ruin it for them. I never forgot what it was like to love Star Wars for what it was, rather than what I wanted it to be.

Trust me, I know of Hidalgo. I don't know if you remember this, but I'm the reason Star Wars: Rebels has a presence on this forum. Yeah he's done more than that, but trust me that name came into serious prominence when he started answering questions weekly during Rebels Recon. I've tread these grounds for a long time now.

I feel like people forget I'm a veteran on this forum. I've been here since Wave 3 and before Disney's acquisition of the license in 2014.

Hilariously, I remember seeing the concept art first released for rebels and rolling my eyes at another story about another crew of another Corellian designed ship fighting The Empire with another set of force sensitives.

That was never a new concept to me.

But, I will agree with you on something. On the following.

"😟But as a long time DM in other games I could not in good faith run a game in the sequel universe. It doesn't have consistent enough grounds rules for a player group to be able to follow. Far too much of the universe is now predicated on the desires of the plot than the needs of the sandbox. I would be strung up by my players for using sick magical plot holes to get them to the next encounter."

I cannot begin to tell you how much it pains me to concede that you are unequivocally correct.

Cool bro, your almost the same age as my son, I believe my childhood memories of Star Wars predate yours by nearly two decades. I remember watching the first one, you know the one that was called Star Wars in 1977 in the theater, all my childhood memories are of Star Wars, and I’ve seen all the movies on the big screen too, at least until they started the new rubbish that is, haven’t been to the cinema since EP VII. Just because you like it doesn’t mean everyone does, seems you would have read enough opinions in every thread you preach in to know that there are loads of old guard, to use your words (which you definitely don’t qualify as one of) to realize there are differing opinions and you aren’t going to change the minds of those of us who don’t like the new, so why keep having the exact same arguments.

I think my friends we're due for a come to Obi-Wan meeting.

@KCDodger, friendo, I had already assumed you knew of the guy as should be evident by my not explaining who he was and instead diving into how he was relevant to our discussion.

Further, it is incredibly egotistical to even imagine that any one of us is the reason that anything exists on this(or any) forum. Some are early, some are late, and some Yoda love them haven't even been born yet and we won't here from them for years to come. It's a forum. We are here as equals to share ideas that differ to raise the collective understanding of the group and advance the community as a whole. Especially on such a widely loved series as Rebels is. There were several who engaged in conversation about their love for it in this digital space on that show, I among them. And if you hadn't started it, someone else surely would have. The validity of an opinion is not predicated on who got there first. I too saw the concept art and wondered how the Force they where going to make it work. And now it's a great example of how you can build into the Canon without destroying the love that others have for the larger work. #ashokalives #sabineismywaifu and all that for good measure.

For example, do I get extra credit for my time I spent discussing the xwing game on dakkadakka.com back in 2012? When me and the guys were playing with the OG core between 40k discussions? BEFORE I joined this forum? Of course not. Though old me back then may have thought so, I certainly have grown up a bit since then 😅

While I may not have posted as much, and the record shows you have been a member a year longer than I(I saw you creeping my profile lol, fair is fair.), I'm a few years older chronologically. Should I be respected more for that? Of course not, that would be silly. The ideas are equal!

I worked for a time on play testing games for FFG, and by contract and morality I cannot use that to curry favor as a more involved voice now can I? That would be ludicrous! (Also before anyone asks, I'm also not allowed to say what I worked on. "I cannot talk about future products" and all that, and more rules besides. So don't even ask. I'll tell you if and when it's time, and within the confines of the NDA.)

Our veterancy, and age, and catalog of experiences, that we carry so proudly is the comfortable bed of group-think and stagnation that lead to this nonsense of egotism and superiority complex. It's vanity. Like that of the old Jedi if you will.

@all: This is the rub: we each have apples, and ideas. If we just exchange the apples, some will be poorer, and others richer, and some no better or worse. We'll all be poorer if all we do is smash the apples. But if we exchange ideas, we'll all gain from the experience. So spread your ideas, and stop bruising the apples. Besides, the apples are delicious!😄 (Spinning off of Ghandi a bit.)

4 hours ago, Vykk Draygo said:

Cool bro, your almost the same age as my son, I believe my childhood memories of Star Wars predate yours by nearly two decades. I remember watching the first one, you know the one that was called Star Wars in 1977 in the theater, all my childhood memories are of Star Wars, and I’ve seen all the movies on the big screen too, at least until they started the new rubbish that is, haven’t been to the cinema since EP VII. Just because you like it doesn’t mean everyone does, seems you would have read enough opinions in every thread you preach in to know that there are loads of old guard, to use your words (which you definitely don’t qualify as one of) to realize there are differing opinions and you aren’t going to change the minds of those of us who don’t like the new, so why keep having the exact same arguments.

1: Not bro.
2: Yes, of course yours predate mine. Even if you weren't older, you'd say you were to win, but hey. I believe you.
Of course, not everyone likes it just because I do. I'd appreciate if you'd stop infantalizing me, AND gatekeeping certain titles from me. You don't get to decide what I am and am not, much the way I don't for you. I'm sorry your kids got your cynicism.

4 hours ago, ForceSensitive said:

I think my friends we're due for a come to Obi-Wan meeting.

@KCDodger, friendo, I had already assumed you knew of the guy as should be evident by my not explaining who he was and instead diving into how he was relevant to our discussion.

Further, it is incredibly egotistical to even imagine that any one of us is the reason that anything exists on this(or any) forum. Some are early, some are late, and some Yoda love them haven't even been born yet and we won't here from them for years to come. It's a forum. We are here as equals to share ideas that differ to raise the collective understanding of the group and advance the community as a whole. Especially on such a widely loved series as Rebels is. There were several who engaged in conversation about their love for it in this digital space on that show, I among them. And if you hadn't started it, someone else surely would have. The validity of an opinion is not predicated on who got there first. I too saw the concept art and wondered how the Force they where going to make it work. And now it's a great example of how you can build into the Canon without destroying the love that others have for the larger work. #ashokalives #sabineismywaifu and all that for good measure.

For example, do I get extra credit for my time I spent discussing the xwing game on dakkadakka.com back in 2012? When me and the guys were playing with the OG core between 40k discussions? BEFORE I joined this forum? Of course not. Though old me back then may have thought so, I certainly have grown up a bit since then 😅

While I may not have posted as much, and the record shows you have been a member a year longer than I(I saw you creeping my profile lol, fair is fair.), I'm a few years older chronologically. Should I be respected more for that? Of course not, that would be silly. The ideas are equal!

I worked for a time on play testing games for FFG, and by contract and morality I cannot use that to curry favor as a more involved voice now can I? That would be ludicrous! (Also before anyone asks, I'm also not allowed to say what I worked on. "I cannot talk about future products" and all that, and more rules besides. So don't even ask. I'll tell you if and when it's time, and within the confines of the NDA.)

Our veterancy, and age, and catalog of experiences, that we carry so proudly is the comfortable bed of group-think and stagnation that lead to this nonsense of egotism and superiority complex. It's vanity. Like that of the old Jedi if you will.

@all: This is the rub: we each have apples, and ideas. If we just exchange the apples, some will be poorer, and others richer, and some no better or worse. We'll all be poorer if all we do is smash the apples. But if we exchange ideas, we'll all gain from the experience. So spread your ideas, and stop bruising the apples. Besides, the apples are delicious!😄 (Spinning off of Ghandi a bit.)

Egotistical sure but I really can take the credit for Rebels on here. Everyone HATED it at first, you should go back to that old thread to go see what the first few pages were really like. Then it became the forum's longest, biggest thread. I'm proud of it. Just remember that it was not always loved and it needed a home here.

Yes, the ideas are equal. I was merely stating that I've been here an extremely long time. Not before X-Wing, sure, but I'm not some fresh blood with wide eyes, is what I'm saying. Star Wars has been my home my entire life. I hate being treated like a new adopter. That's what gets me.

(Also hey, beta tester too but of entirely different things! Holla!)

I guess your final assessment is fair.

But what's not fair is acting like people who've been here for-friggin-ever are wide eyed newbies with zero taste, as opposed to different taste. Which you're not guilty of, mind.

*Reads Thread Title*

*Interested in New Ships*

*Topic is Not New Ships*

*Leaves*

Bye y'all. What a disappointment.

@KCDodger I still believe your taking credit for something far against reason. I myself loved the show after I saw the first episode, so surely you didn't change my mind... In fact, brief read of page one of that thread I found 3 didn't like it and 11 did. The next few pages told the same story. In fact, I showed up to that thread in page 3😝 I forgot lol. You can't seriously think your the one responsible for all those fans who showed up.

So others can find it, it's back like 4 pages again :

also I don't think it's the longest. Isn't there a thread on here that got to like 900 pages or some such? I vaguely remember old JBR7(miss that dude) had a record for awhile. There have been some doozies.

I get it though. Any given forum had that thing about it. Since the conversation is all text, with little context, you kind of have to just look over it. If it helps, just respond with the knowledge you have, and they will figure it out eventually. That's what I've found after years of this anyway. I mean, no offense obviously but you kind of did that to me a bit here too amiright? But after all this time I just roll with it.

Anywho. So I hear starships are cool 🤪