I don't know, guys.
I don't know if ridding the EU was worth it at this point. Yes, you're hearing me openly doubt this.
We gained
so many fantastic, wonderful things
that definitely make the EU's many narratives not work... but...
That's what we got. We got an EU story. On screen. We managed to get to the frakking... in many ways, lowest point of the sequel trilogy.
I'm going through the stages of grief right now, if I'm completely honest. I believed so hard in the promise, so much in what we were getting. Now..?
Guys, I don't
know
anymore. I'm completely lost.
I don't know anymore.
I'm sorry.
Breath and take a break for a bit. Hang with your partner and let this, which is really just small ****, drift away.
Well, here's how I'm coping... Kinda.
JJ made the new Treks. To do that, he made an alternate time line.
If I just consider this Disney trilogy an alternate timeline, something that Rebels kinda set the stage for, ...it could work.
Think about it...
In this alternate JJ universe, Luke wasn't all about hope. Hyper Rams had always been a real threat. Force ghosts could affect the material world. Palpatine was never destroyed. So much is now left open.
So I can kinda hack it if I consider that 1-6 never got a sequel. And hey, maybe I look forward (maybe) to 6 new prequel movies? Doubtful. But maybe.
Welcome to the dark side. 😈
I liked it a lot.
...I guess I’m alone in this? I mean, I’m sorry for those who didn’t, but I think they ended it really well.
...Pew pew noises?
My thoughts of the Disney Trilogy to put it simply.
The Force Awakens: "Ok, A New Hope rip off, but has potential and I like where this is going..."
The Last Jedi: "What the ****?"
The Rise of Skywalker: "Seriously, what the ****?!"
7 hours ago, CoffeeMinion said:I liked it a lot.
...I guess I’m alone in this? I mean, I’m sorry for those who didn’t, but I think they ended it really well.
...Pew pew noises?
Not alone. I also really enjoyed it.
8 hours ago, CoffeeMinion said:I liked it a lot.
...I guess I’m alone in this? I mean, I’m sorry for those who didn’t, but I think they ended it really well.
...Pew pew noises?
I think it was a really fitting end to the trilogy. They could have done better, has they started better from TFA, but, this was far better than what I was expecting, and genuinely enjoyable.
10 hours ago, Shadowshand said:My thoughts of the Disney Trilogy to put it simply.
The Force Awakens: "Ok, A New Hope rip off, but has potential and I like where this is going..."
The Last Jedi: "What the ****?"
The Rise of Skywalker:
Otherwise, yeah, my feelings exactly.
Edited by Darth MeanieFrom the compains I read everywhere, I get the impression that the people the most disapointed by ROS are the one who are familiar with the EU.
21 minutes ago, Cartchan said:From the compains I read everywhere, I get the impression that the people the most disapointed by ROS are the one who are familiar with the EU.
I think a lot of us who read Timothy Zahn's trilogy in the 1990s were pretty happy with how the story was handled in those books. Perhaps, some of us just wanted to see THAT story put on the screen as a trilogy ender.
So, to scrap that story in place of this one is kinda two whammies in one.
I enjoyed it. There are things I would have done differently but no one asked my opinion.
Most of the problems that I have with it stem from not having a cohesive story plan for the trilogy and trying to cram 3 more films worth of material into this last chapter.
But my 11 year old son and I both enjoyed it.
8 hours ago, Kreen said:I think it was a really fitting end to the trilogy. They could have done better, has they started better from TFA, but, this was far better than what I was expecting, and genuinely enjoyable.
To me this was a very enjoyable movie. I really enjoyed it.
I agree, EU was a mistake
or to rephrase, giving it credence was a mistake. Lucas never paid attention to the EU [1], openly stating that he's never read a star wars novel [2].
I don't agree with every decision Lucas has made or something, but he kinda is the guy who freaking created Star Wars after all. And his biggest focus has always been on originality. I understand a lot of people disliked the Last Jedi. I'm going to try to be as nice as possible here but I think that people who really disliked it are kinda being biased by their childhood nostalgia for Star Wars. It was not a perfect movie, but at least it was original. Everyone has similar blindspots. I personally really like the Clone Wars movie because that's my childhood. that's just me, and I can't really defend that opinion because I know it's a blindspot.
I really was not a huge fan of The Force Awakens when it came out, for pretty similar reasons to Lucas [3]. this movie is far worse. the lack of originality really made me mad.
what made me more mad though was the short-sighted attempts at fan-service. I personally don't agree but a lot of fans really hated the Last Jedi. that being said, I don't think they wanted this movie to just act like TLJ never happened or directly attempt to erase its message like it did, they wanted it to explain it better. The attempts to appease angry fans seem to have just made those fans angrier.
I'm probably getting a little off topic here but this movie just made me really mad. the effective removal of Rose from the movie and the cringy Palpatine monologue that explained who Snoke was were the worst parts for me but the whole movie was full of such BS.
[2] https://reddit.app.link/18k9wW2AD2
[3] https://www.indiewire.com/2019/09/george-lucas-disappointed-force-awakens-bob-iger-1202176208/
On 12/20/2019 at 10:00 PM, KCDodger said:I don't know, guys.
I don't know if ridding the EU was worth it at this point. Yes, you're hearing me openly doubt this.
We gained so many fantastic, wonderful things that definitely make the EU's many narratives not work... but...
That's what we got. We got an EU story. On screen. We managed to get to the frakking... in many ways, lowest point of the sequel trilogy.
I'm going through the stages of grief right now, if I'm completely honest. I believed so hard in the promise, so much in what we were getting. Now..?
Guys, I don't know anymore. I'm completely lost.
There is still plenty of good stuff out there. I'm a big fan of the new authors, Claudia Grey and EK Johnson especially. Aphra is amazing. Mandalorian is great as well. There is still plenty of good content coming.
Personally, in a decade, I wouldn't mind Episode X.
6 hours ago, Cartchan said:From the compains I read everywhere, I get the impression that the people the most disapointed by ROS are the one who are familiar with the EU.
Speaking as someone who was both bitterly disappointed with ROS (I've not felt such a passionate hate for a movie in years) and was very familiar with the EU, the one has nothing to do with the other. ROS is just an aggressively bad film. I could go on at length about all of the reasons it's terrible without even mentioning the fact it's a Star Wars movie.
20 hours ago, CoffeeMinion said:I liked it a lot.
...I guess I’m alone in this? I mean, I’m sorry for those who didn’t, but I think they ended it really well.
...Pew pew noises?
I enjoyed it a lot. Sure it did not feel like the episodic epic of the originals.... but will they ever? It felt fine to me as a story set in the universe.
4 hours ago, Sithborg said:Personally, in a decade, I wouldn't mind Episode X.
No, no, no!! I don't want to relive the tragedy of What Happened To Luke/Han/Leia but with Rey/Finn/Poe.
This is why these movies are getting panned so badly. They are supposed to be part of the "core mythos."
SW needs to break new cinematic ground forevermore. No one is moaning about Filoni's work because {a} it's good, but way more importantly {b} it stands on it's own.
Movies set in the SW galaxy are going to be at their best when the writers/directors/producers can do whatever they want while playing in the SW sandbox.
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35 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:This is why these movies are getting panned so badly. They are supposed to be part of the "core mythos."
SW needs to break new cinematic ground forevermore. No one is moaning about Filoni's work because {a} it's good, but way more importantly {b} it stands on it's own.
Movies set in the SW galaxy are going to be at their best when the writers/directors/producers can do whatever they want while playing in the SW sanbox.
You know, I had fun with 9 but I completely agree with this.
I am quite happy with the idea of more Star Wars coming... as long as we don’t try to continue the overall “core” of the universe.
The main saga has ended. Leave it be. That said, I’d love to explore the new canon New Republic through the lens of other characters and experiences. I am really enjoying Mandalorian as well, hope it has multiple more seasons of storytelling left (2-3 tops).
12 hours ago, Darth Meanie said:No, no, no!! I don't want to relive the tragedy of What Happened To Luke/Han/Leia but with Rey/Finn/Poe.
This is why these movies are getting panned so badly. They are supposed to be part of the "core mythos."
SW needs to break new cinematic ground forevermore. No one is moaning about Filoni's work because {a} it's good, but way more importantly {b} it stands on it's own.
Movies set in the SW galaxy are going to be at their best when the writers/directors/producers can do whatever they want while playing in the SW sandbox.
If you have a problem in the third act chances are you have a problem in the first act said a well regarded film-maker. The problem with the first act of the sequels is it didn't establish the state of the SW sandbox. The SW sandbox is a set of rules. A framework. Filoni never used our understanding of the rules for cheap gotchas.
For Episode VII they hired a guy whose stock and trade of film-making is not following the rules. JJ thinks the audience's intuitive sense of where a story should go is to be used for "gotcha" moments. He zigs for the sake of zigging because it is "unexpected" or shocking or surprising. And he races headlong to the next one so you don't have time to really register what just happened as it might get in the way of the next "twist" he wants to throw at you. JJ can't surprise us if he follows the rules.
And at the outset they were so concerned with making sure the new films were not something i.e. not the prequels. They forgot that they still needed to decide what they were. They still needed to tell us what the sandbox was. They misunderstood what parts of the sandbox we wanted to hold onto. And of course since everyone hates sand they created an ouroboros that has finally succeeded in eating itself.
1 hour ago, Frimmel said:If you have a problem in the third act chances are you have a problem in the first act said a well regarded film-maker. The problem with the first act of the sequels is it didn't establish the state of the SW sandbox.
Honestly, I think TFA is the best film of the 3. And I very much disagree with the latter statement. TFA did an acceptable job of establishing the sandbox, but then Rian decided he wasn't going to play in that sand and threw it all out into the lawn.
QuoteFor Episode VII they hired a guy whose stock and trade of film-making is not following the rules. JJ thinks the audience's intuitive sense of where a story should go is to be used for "gotcha" moments. He zigs for the sake of zigging because it is "unexpected" or shocking or surprising. And he races headlong to the next one so you don't have time to really register what just happened as it might get in the way of the next "twist" he wants to throw at you. JJ can't surprise us if he follows the rules.
I really don't have a problem with the way JJ makes film. And I don't think that how JJ makes film was the problem--overall, I think he did a pretty good job trying to patch up the miss-match between TFA and TLJ.
Sheesh, if anyone was playing the "gotcha" game it was Rian who dismantled JJ's whole set up as a "bet you thought that mattered--surprise!!"
QuoteAnd at the outset they were so concerned with making sure the new films were not something i.e. not the prequels. They forgot that they still needed to decide what they were.
The main problem is this. Somebody forgot to have an executive meeting in which everyone talked about the overall story arc for 3 movies, start to finish, so that the baton could be passed in a way that created a cohesive whole.
Instead, Kennedy said "let's build an airplane, everyone gets a third" and we wind up with 2 wings of different sizes and the guy in charge of the tail doesn't even show up for work.
Edited by Darth Meanie11 minutes ago, Darth Meanie said:The main problem is this. Somebody forgot to have an executive meeting in which everyone talked about the overall story arc for 3 movies, start to finish, so that the baton could be passed in a way that created a cohesive whole.
I blame JJ for that. You don't seem to be doing so.
16 minutes ago, Frimmel said:I blame JJ for that. You don't seem to be doing so.
He can certainly shoulder his fair share of the blame for the way the sequel trilogy panned out, but remember he had originally only signed on for the first film.
The blame for lack of overall planning goes to the top management at Disney. They're the ones who hired and fired, they're the ones who took this approach.
It's incredible to see how mismanaged the project has been from start to finish, especially when you also take into account the problems Rogue One and Solo had in the director's chair. It's not isolated incidents, it's been a running theme of Disney Star Wars, and that means the blame ultimately lies at the top.
I think it's fair to say that Gareth Edwards has been the only truly successful Star Wars director of the Disney era, and let's face it, he had his own set of issues to deal with!
Edited by FTS GeckoROS opening weekend while pretty good, isn't Star Wars good. Only 20 million more than Rogue One for comparison. I really do hope that heads roll at the top and we get new management to steer this IP away from the cliff.
I truly believe that KK thought all she needed to do is stick a competent (arguable that JJ is competent) director in the chair with enough budget and the movies will make themselves. After all, its just space wizards and pew pews, right?
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