23 minutes ago, Lyianx said:

Ailerons ability muddies the waters of that in its own way and would conflict with your suggestion.

Nice. I think this results from the physical description of executing a maneuver (touching the ship and moving it using a template) being the same as the ruleswise description of executing a maneuver .

Adaptive Ailerons are supposed to allow you to move your ship, but not execute a maneuver ruleswise.

4 minutes ago, Singulativ said:

Nice. I think this results from using the physical description of executing a maneuver (touching the ship and moving it using a template) with the ruleswise description of executing a maneuver .

Adaptive Ailerons are supposed to allow you to move your ship, but not execute a maneuver ruleswise.

No, it does count as executing a maneuver. But they seem to want the "skip perform action" to only apply when you execute a maneuver "from your dial". Ailerons maneuver will still trigger effects that happen "after you execute a maneuver" just like the SLAM maneuver does.

But they cant *say* "from your dial" as that would exclude ion maneuvers.

Its really a tangled web that would have been much cleaner if they just let the Aileron maneuver to operate exactly like a normal maneuver, action skipping and all.

2 hours ago, Synel said:

...That substitution was a card effect that resolves after the game effect of the stress resolved. Now a new game effect, tractor, needs to be resolved because the ship isn’t stressed but tractored. Trying to help pinpoint the logic. Offering this as a possible interpretation.

Replacement effects are covered in the Rules Reference (1.1.0) p.2 with these two bullet points referencing the timing(italics added by me for emphasis):

" • Replacement effects are not added to the end of the ability queue as they are resolved at the timing of the effect they are replacing .
• When a replacement effect resolves, the replaced effect is treated as having not occurred . "

Using that definition, substitutions must happen in the original timing of the thing they are replacing and the original thing is treated as never having been assigned. That is the argument for why the tractor token is inside the multi-step process of Execute Maneuver . It is replacing the default effect of a red maneuver (gain a Stress Token during the Check Difficulty step) with a new effect (gain a Tractor Token during the Check Difficulty step).

Then the movement part of the Tractor effect is performed "The first time a ship becomes tractored each round..."(RR1.1.0 p.20) It is not performed After you gain the token it is performed When you gain the token. The movement when tractored is pretty specifically worded without the word 'after' in that section of the rules. So again it must be treated as being in the same step as the gaining of the tractor token.

TL,DR: the wording of replacement effects means it keeps the original timing of the replaced effect so 7sis gives a tractor during a step of Execute Maneuver . There is also no indication that tractor movement should occur 'after' the token is received, but rather 'when' it is received.

All of that = overlap during execute maneuver

15 minutes ago, nitrobenz said:

Then the movement part of the Tractor effect is performed "The first time a ship becomes tractored each round..."(RR1.1.0 p.20) It is not performed After you gain the token it is performed When you gain the token.

Good points, thank you for clarifying. And further in support of that, the specific timing word used at the beginning of the Tractor rules is “A ship is tractored while it has...” So, “first time” literally means from when it gets the first tractor token assigned to it that turn.

@Synel Sounds like you got what I'm trying to convey

Just a point of clarification: a ship is only in a Tractored state once it has the appropriate number of tokens which is the first token for small base, but for medium base that will be second token and for large base it's the third token.