On 12/19/2019 at 6:35 AM, TauntaunScout said:

And I guess that's kinda my main issue with it. Luke shoulda been the main protagonist of this trilogy. They could still add new characters, but he shoulda been the main subject matter again. So calling it that just continually rubs it in.

Yeah, that is what happens when you get old. Just pushed aside for the new younger people to come in.

8 hours ago, TauntaunScout said:

You do you. Here’s a question. How much of Anakin’s DNA was from his mother, and what does the force’s DNA look like?

It's possible Anakin was just gestated in his mom and isn't her genetic son. I don't think it was ever said who created Anakin, just the force or Palpatine.

17 hours ago, costi said:

Isn't there a copy of the original theatrical release in the Library of Congress?

There is a copy of the film but not a copy of the negative. So, any transfer from a film would deal with all of the wear and tear that any print has seen. If the LoC copy was ever shown in theaters it's be sliced and spliced a hundred times and has definitely had frames removed. However I was speaking to the idea of "remastering." There's no original negative of the source material to pull from and even then remastering is going to run the risk of over or understaturation of the colors, waxy skin, improper levels on the sound and a myriad of other problems that crop up in digital and audio remastering. What we remember is gone and never to be released again folks. Time to accept that.
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1 hour ago, Mep said:

It's possible Anakin was just gestated in his mom and isn't her genetic son. I don't think it was ever said who created Anakin, just the force or Palpatine.

It is stated in the Darth Plagus novel (which while legends is one of the few EU books I really enjoyed) that Sheeve and his master created Anakin.

11 hours ago, Zrob314 said:

It is stated in the Darth Plagus novel (which while legends is one of the few EU books I really enjoyed) that Sheeve and his master created Anakin.

Even in Canon it is implied in Marvel's Darth Vader comic series that Palpatine created Anakin. Vader is shown visions of his past and one of them is palps using sith magic to create life in Shmi Skywalker's belly.

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So Anakin is the love child of Palpatine and Plagaus then.

The final 3 should never be packaged together considering the goal of the 2nd was to retcon the 1st; and the goal of the 3rd was to retcon the 2nd.

Probably the weirdest trilogy of all time. 3 movies that are individually fine, but due to not wanting to have anything to do with eachother, the sum of their parts is a disasterous mess.

1 hour ago, Sekac said:

The final 3 should never be packaged together considering the goal of the 2nd was to retcon the 1st; and the goal of the 3rd was to retcon the 2nd.

Probably the weirdest trilogy of all time. 3 movies that are individually fine, but due to not wanting to have anything to do with eachother, the sum of their parts is a disasterous mess.

"Fine" is maybe too strong of a word for them. Maybe "individually coherent"?

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On 12/21/2019 at 7:33 PM, Mep said:

So Anakin is the love child of Palpatine and Plagaus then.

From a certain point of view. Season 9 of Kenobi or maybe SOLO II will probably be allowed to retcon it away in a 40 minute long text opening crawl or something so don't worry.

On 12/21/2019 at 10:33 AM, KommanderKeldoth said:

Even in Canon it is implied in Marvel's Darth Vader comic series that Palpatine created Anakin. Vader is shown visions of his past and one of them is palps using sith magic to create life in Shmi Skywalker's belly.

this was proven as wrong though i have no sources lol

23 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

"Fine" is maybe too strong of a word for them. Maybe "individually coherent"?

I don't want to open up that can of worms, but I feel like they're all decent at what they're trying to do.

But I've never come across a trilogy where they work better separately than they do together.

20 minutes ago, Sekac said:

But I've never come across a trilogy where they work better separately than they do together.

Ever see the Beastmaster movies?

2 minutes ago, TauntaunScout said:

Ever see the Beastmaster movies?

oh Jeez!

54 minutes ago, Tirion said:

this was proven as wrong though i have no sources lol

True. They did confirm that the vision wasnt literal.

I kind of wish they had gone down that road though. If I were in charge of the last movie I would have had a resurrected Snoke be revealed as Darth Plagueis who created Anakin as a false chosen one to destroy the Jedi order. Sidious thought he killed him pre episode 1 and then stumbled upon his creation Anakin who he then manipulated as Plagueis had planned to do. That leaves the door open for Rey to be the 'natural born' chosen one who finally kills Plagueis. Anakin and the other Jedi who learned the force ghost power would then show up to defeat him in the spirit realm and prevent him from returning forever.

Much more satisfying way to tie all 9 movies together.

8 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

True. They did confirm that the vision wasnt literal.

I kind of wish they had gone down that road though. If I were in charge of the last movie I would have had a resurrected Snoke be revealed as Darth Plagueis who created Anakin as a false chosen one to destroy the Jedi order. Sidious thought he killed him pre episode 1 and then stumbled upon his creation Anakin who he then manipulated as Plagueis had planned to do. That leaves the door open for Rey to be the 'natural born' chosen one who finally kills Plagueis. Anakin and the other Jedi who learned the force ghost power would then show up to defeat him in the spirit realm and prevent him from returning forever.

Much more satisfying way to tie all 9 movies together.

Yeah it is. Though could you imagine the rights on the street if Anakin wasn't the chosen one? Also that wild contradict mortis

Just now, Tirion said:

Yeah it is. Though could you imagine the rights on the street if Anakin wasn't the chosen one? Also that wild contradict mortis

Yeah but he totally failed at Mortis, which kind of proves that he wasn't actually the one that was prophesied.

The problem with Anakin as the Chosen One in the ST is that it means that the story is over at episode 6. There isn't another big galaxy spanning consequence because the force has been returned to balance. This is one of the reasons why the ST feels tacked on and unnecessary. They didn't address that central myth except for a throwaway line from Anakin's voice at the very end that said "Bring balance to the force like I did" which just undermines it more because apparently this ancient Jedi prophecy only meant that the force would remain balanced for like 20 years.

I think it would have been worth it to have that big controversial reveal to reconcile why the story needed a third trilogy and it would bring back a lot of the best elements from the prequels and integrate them into the meta story (force ghosts being a new phenomena with Quigon-Jin, the downfall of the Jedi and their hubris in the prophecy, Anakin's tragic fall, the tragedy of the Darth Plagueis and the conversation between Palpatine and Anakin during the opera where he all but says that Anakin was artificially created with Sith mysticism).

It would also leave room for stories after the movies where Rey can truly rebuild the Jedi order in a balanced galaxy, whereas the story we got kind of leaves the galaxy hanging in a big question mark with less resolution than the end of Return of the Jedi.

46 minutes ago, KommanderKeldoth said:

That leaves the door open for Rey to be the 'natural born' chosen one who finally kills Plagueis.

That's probably much closer to what really happened. What you saw in theaters is probably an epic poem about those events, told on some backwater planet with mostly bronze-age technology and occasional off-world visitors.

On 12/21/2019 at 12:23 AM, Mep said:

Yeah, that is what happens when you get old. Just pushed aside for the new younger people to come in.

Or. They could have gone with Lucas' original statement back in the 1970's that this trilogy would be to see what Luke et al were getting up to in their 60's.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

Ever see the Beastmaster movies?

No, but I've heard bad things. Is it 3 (or more) movies that hate eachother stuffed into a burlap sack and packaged as a trilogy? Because, if so, I'm on board!

42 minutes ago, Sekac said:

No, but I've heard bad things. Is it 3 (or more) movies that hate eachother stuffed into a burlap sack and packaged as a trilogy? Because, if so, I'm on board!

It's 3 separate films. But like, as the most egregious example, between films they cast a different species of big cat as the hero's animal sidekick Ruh. Sometimes he's a tiger, sometimes a black panther.

1 hour ago, TauntaunScout said:

It's 3 separate films. But like, as the most egregious example, between films they cast a different species of big cat as the hero's animal sidekick Ruh. Sometimes he's a tiger, sometimes a black panther.

Irreconcilable creative differences? Check.

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Gee that picture is funny. Seems to be have the focus on the wrong characters. This is the Palpatine series saga now, shouldn't he be the biggest face?