Just now, Eoen said:He’s the was Emporer, he must of had at least some women trying to get in his pants. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. Not to mention he inspired cult like devotion.
Didn't Sly Moore have his kid in Legends? Or at least alleged to have.
Just now, StarkJunior said:Didn't Sly Moore have his kid in Legends? Or at least alleged to have.
I’m not sure, but Rey doesn’t look Umbaran.
Just now, Eoen said:I’m not sure, but Rey doesn’t look Umbaran.
She did! This goofy looking dude.
10 minutes ago, Eoen said:He’s the was Emporer, he must of had at least some women trying to get in his pants. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. Not to mention he inspired cult like devotion.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Roganda_Ismaren well in legends he did have concubines, who may have given him children. I'm sure he could have managed to sire one or two out of wedlock before the attack on his life left him scarred and deformed.
2 hours ago, Desslok said:Bumping uglies comes with a certain level of trust and intimacy with the other person(s), and he doesn't strike me as the type of guy to do that. Plus you add in the fact you'd probably have your guard down during the act - also out of character for master of the universe
Trust and intimacy...or power and dominance. Doesn't take a beautiful moment to conceive a child. He could just as easily have been the galactic Harvey Weinstein.
Disney/Bob/Kathleen Kennedy panicked after how polarizing TLJ was and Solo bombing in the box office. They lost focus, and the result was Rise of Skywalker.
Sorry to say, Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. She’s killing Star Wars. To many changes. To many “creative differences” Compare her to Kevin Feige, who has a plan for Marvel and has stayed the course.
Make Filoni President of Lucasfilm. Hire Favreau. Bring back George. Someone else. Anyone else.
1 minute ago, Sincereagape said:Disney/Bob/Kathleen Kennedy panicked after how polarizing TLJ was and Solo bombing in the box office. They lost focus, and the result was Rise of Skywalker.
Sorry to say, Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. She’s killing Star Wars. To many changes. To many “creative differences” Compare her to Kevin Feige, who has a plan for Marvel and has stayed the course.
Make Filoni President of Lucasfilm. Hire Favreau. Bring back George. Someone else. Anyone else.
We get it. You hate it all. Can we keep this regurgitated talking point out of this thread, please? Thanks.
8 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:We get it. You hate it all. Can we keep this regurgitated talking point out of this thread, please? Thanks.
I do not hate it all. 9 out of the 11 movies I have and continue to enjoy very much (TFA, Prequels, Original 3, Rogue & Solo).
Rebels, we enjoyed as a family and I’m waiting for holidays to die down before picking up the Mandalorian series. Kenobi series has a lot of promise.
The SW movie franchise has lost direction. Kenobi movie, gone. Game of thrones guys, gone. KoTOR? At this point, why believe it will actually happen?
@unicornpuncher said about the theaters being distractingly quiet was an excellent point. All of my friends who are “casual fans or I’ve seen the movie” friends have little or not interest in seeing it. Ergo, the franchise is not drawing in new fans except through the children of prior fans
I’ll leave the thread before it gets personal for people. Rise of Skywalker is/was very important movie for the franchise after TLJ. Let’s see how it plays out.
I enjoyed it. Not to the level of the OT, but not in the depths of the worst of the PT.
A couple take aways:
I think that we can finally put to rest the debate about why there are no handrails in Star Wars. In the Star Wars universe, the best way to assure you DON'T die is to fall down a seemingly bottomless pit. Exhibits are as follows:
Luke Skywalker
Luke Skywalker's lightsaber
Palpatine
Darth Maul
Kylo Ren/Ben Solo
Various characters from Jedi: Fallen Order (I don't want to post spoilers)
The list goes on, I'm sure there's more but that's just the media that comes to mind quickly.
I didn't like the hard clock. (X hours and this happens). Didn't like it in TLJ and don't like it here. I preferred when Star Wars had a flexible time schedule that made it believable for a rational human being. Who's to say that it didn't take several days for the Falcon to get from Tatooine to Aldaraan? Why didn't it take a couple months for the Falcon to limp to Bespin from Hoth on it's backup hyperdrive?
Hyperskipping? "I don't like it. I don't agree with it. But I accept it." In general, I don't like how each installment of the franchise since Disney took over has made hyperspace into handwavium. I don't need realistic physics in my science fantasy, but consistency in the physics of the universe itself would be nice.
I was thinking about the relative ages of Ben and Rey. The timeline checks out if Palpatine had a kid shortly before Revenge of the Sith. So he would have been powerful and dignified instead of an evil lightning face. Plausible.
The pacing in the first hour was bonkers fast.
I wasn't a fan of Palpatine suddenly having beyond Force Unleashed powers. At that point your space wizard battle turns into Superman vs General Zod.
Hux had an incredibly plausible motivation. I give him a passing grade for the first time in the sequel trilogy.
I feel like if Force Ghosts could use the Force so well... Order 66 may have gone off the same, but the next 10 minutes would have been pretty bad for the clone army. Why wasn't there an Army of the Dead a la Lord of the Rings during the Clone Wars?
And now... the elephant in the room. (I'm surprised nobody has gone into detail on this yet)...
Force AT&T (Visions, whatever) now allow you to interact physically and transmit matter through space ? How... incredibly mindbogglingly... what? Why did Kylo Ren even bother to hunt her down physically when he had instaduel on speed dial? Why didn't Rey carry a thermal detonator in her pocket and casually toss it during a session? Bye bye Sith stronghold...
I haven't been so weirded out by something so un-Star-Warsy wedged into Star Wars since GM Filoni used time travel to save his GMPC...
24 minutes ago, Sincereagape said:Kenobi movie, gone
It's gonna be a TV series. It's not 'gone' - started as a movie but they just decided to do a TV show likely because Star Wars works really well in a TV format, and there's a lot of room for storytelling. I think Ewan mentioned he's known about it for four years and has had to lie about it until the announcement at the D23 Expo.
24 minutes ago, Sincereagape said:Game of thrones guys, gone. KoTOR? At this point, why believe it will actually happen?
Also, KotOR was never actually confirmed by anyone. Just rumors by edgecase fandom sites, and D&D left because they have a deal with Netflix that means they couldn't do their SW stuff because contracts like that in the entertainment biz are very strict with what can and can't happen (See Henry Cavill having to have a mustache when doing JL reshoots because Paramount wasn't gonna foot the bill for a digital inserting of it for Mission: Impossible Fallout.)
24 minutes ago, Sincereagape said:@unicornpuncher said about the theaters being distractingly quiet was an excellent point. All of my friends who are “casual fans or I’ve seen the movie” friends have little or not interest in seeing it. Ergo, the franchise is not drawing in new fans except through the children of prior fans
Also, my theater was loud as **** - people were cheering, clapping, all the stuff I saw from Endgame.
There's also a whole new generation of young kids who are being brought in - just as the previous one was with the Prequels. And that's kinda always how Star Wars has worked - it's largely a franchise for kids and the kid in all of us, so it makes complete sense it would be a generational thing. ****, I got into it because my dad took me to see the rereleases of the OT in '97 and then Episode I.
2 hours ago, Sincereagape said:Disney/Bob/Kathleen Kennedy panicked after how polarizing TLJ was and Solo bombing in the box office. They lost focus, and the result was Rise of Skywalker.
Sorry to say, Kathleen Kennedy needs to go. She’s killing Star Wars. To many changes. To many “creative differences” Compare her to Kevin Feige, who has a plan for Marvel and has stayed the course.
Make Filoni President of Lucasfilm. Hire Favreau. Bring back George. Someone else. Anyone else.
Kevin Feige has the benefit of a fan base that loves Marvel movies even when they garbage. Seriously, I like a lot of the Marvel movies, but a lot of them are forgettable at best, and a complete waste of time and money at worst. So anytime someone compares Kennedy to Feige, I have to roll my eyes, because Feige has produce a lot of stinkers since he has been in charge of Marvel films.
If I were Disney, the thing that would give me pause about Star Wars and Kennedy being in charge, is the amount of creative turnover on various projects. Rogue One/Solo/ROS and now whatever Dan & Dave were working on, have had creative turnover, and in the case of Solo and Rogue One, after the production had started!
So if I were Disney, I wouldn't worry a lot about the fanboi crying online, I would take notice of the creative problems that have been a real issue since she was in charge.
I'm also a big fan of Favreau and Filoni, but they have also had some misses too. Nobody is perfect and no one can please everyone all the time, well unless you are Feige, and then about half your movies can suck and your fans will still love it!
1 hour ago, oneeyedmatt87 said:I enjoyed it. Not to the level of the OT, but not in the depths of the worst of the PT.
A couple take aways:
I think that we can finally put to rest the debate about why there are no handrails in Star Wars. In the Star Wars universe, the best way to assure you DON'T die is to fall down a seemingly bottomless pit. Exhibits are as follows:
Luke Skywalker
Luke Skywalker's lightsaber
Palpatine
Darth Maul
Kylo Ren/Ben Solo
Various characters from Jedi: Fallen Order (I don't want to post spoilers)
The list goes on, I'm sure there's more but that's just the media that comes to mind quickly.I didn't like the hard clock. (X hours and this happens). Didn't like it in TLJ and don't like it here. I preferred when Star Wars had a flexible time schedule that made it believable for a rational human being. Who's to say that it didn't take several days for the Falcon to get from Tatooine to Aldaraan? Why didn't it take a couple months for the Falcon to limp to Bespin from Hoth on it's backup hyperdrive?
Hyperskipping? "I don't like it. I don't agree with it. But I accept it." In general, I don't like how each installment of the franchise since Disney took over has made hyperspace into handwavium. I don't need realistic physics in my science fantasy, but consistency in the physics of the universe itself would be nice.
I was thinking about the relative ages of Ben and Rey. The timeline checks out if Palpatine had a kid shortly before Revenge of the Sith. So he would have been powerful and dignified instead of an evil lightning face. Plausible.
The pacing in the first hour was bonkers fast.
I wasn't a fan of Palpatine suddenly having beyond Force Unleashed powers. At that point your space wizard battle turns into Superman vs General Zod.
Hux had an incredibly plausible motivation. I give him a passing grade for the first time in the sequel trilogy.
I feel like if Force Ghosts could use the Force so well... Order 66 may have gone off the same, but the next 10 minutes would have been pretty bad for the clone army. Why wasn't there an Army of the Dead a la Lord of the Rings during the Clone Wars?
And now... the elephant in the room. (I'm surprised nobody has gone into detail on this yet)...
Force AT&T (Visions, whatever) now allow you to interact physically and transmit matter through space ? How... incredibly mindbogglingly... what? Why did Kylo Ren even bother to hunt her down physically when he had instaduel on speed dial? Why didn't Rey carry a thermal detonator in her pocket and casually toss it during a session? Bye bye Sith stronghold...
I haven't been so weirded out by something so un-Star-Warsy wedged into Star Wars since GM Filoni used time travel to save his GMPC...
I agree that Disney's continually evolving range of hyperspace tricks and Force powers is making things worse rather than better.
6 hours ago, HappyDaze said:I agree that Disney's continually evolving range of hyperspace tricks and Force powers is making things worse rather than better.
They’re pulling from legends material for the most part, what about the examples of force use in the new material is bad? Healing? Force ghosts being able to influence the world? The Force is part of the world, the Force ghosts are part of the Force. The Emporer is easily stronger in Dark Empire where he causes Force storms that wreck planets.
Hyperspace tricks should exist there should be interesting, daring, and dangerous things people can do in universe.
Edited by Eoen"It's not a navy, sir, it's just... people." was a really great line, and I really loved that scene because it made me feel that inner hope again, which is rare these days in real life, and having the theme blaring as all the ships arrived was great, too.
I spotted a Lancer-class pursuit craft in there and I was like "It's my character!" in my head. (His ship is one.)
Edited by StarkJunior11 minutes ago, Eoen said:Force ghosts being able to influence the world?
Heck, that's been a thing since 1983, when Force ghost Obi-Wan brushed aside hanging leaves as he entered to admit to Luke that he was a big ol' liar...From a Certain Point of View (TM).
21 minutes ago, Eoen said:There pulling from legends material for the most part, what about the examples of force use in the new material is bad? Healing? Force ghosts being able to influence the world? The Force is part of the world, the Force ghosts are part of the Force. The Emporer is easily stronger in Dark Empire where he causes Force storms that wreck planets.
Hyperspace tricks should exist there should be interesting, daring, and dangerous things people can do in universe.
The dyad transposition stuff is mostly what I was referring to. The Emperor's overdone lightning is more or less JJ's version of a Force storm.
48 minutes ago, HappyDaze said:The dyad transposition stuff is mostly what I was referring to. The Emperor's overdone lightning is more or less JJ's version of a Force storm.
I liked the Dyad thing, I’m not sure if it had a legends counterpart.
6 hours ago, Benny89 said:mary sueing
Funny... Kylo Ren did literally everything she did and arguably more and still you go there. It is quite obvious what informs your opinions.
Saw movie, thought it was decent enough and enjoyable enough as a popcorn cruncher. Though I burst into roaring laughter at the horses, I donno what made me crack, but I don’t think I’ve laughed that loud in a long time. This is the way.
do I think it’s a great movie? Nah, to me it always felt like a mad rush but it wasn’t for the lack of trying; honestly love the amount of effort the main three put in and the amount of unspoken subtext lain on Finn was incredible, that’s how foreshadowing works and it was almost heartbreaking to see how much he cared for Rey, only for him to be completely helpless to do anything about it. Not even a third wheel between her and Kylo, good stuff.
R.e the emperors sex life; In all fairness the emperor isn’t about consent, he will take whatever he wants. He is the embodiment of self indulgence and manipulative evil. I do not imagine him to be much of a family man though, unless they are force sensitive he could care nothing about those ants he toys with.
Edited by LordBritish33 minutes ago, DanteRotterdam said:Even Hitler had a girlfriend.
Two, including his "favorite niece".
14 hours ago, LithiumBlossom said:
JJ Abrahams has a history of doing this, making sure to avoid any same sex relationships with his male heroes.
Dunno about this, but well, JJ was the guy to set the whole thing up in TFA.
10 hours ago, unicornpuncher said:One side note, I've seen all the Star Wars movies in the theater's opening night since Phantom Menace (technically Return of the Jedi, but I was only three so not counting that one), and this was the most dead I have ever seen an audience for a Star Wars movie. Seriously, they didn't cheer, or boo, or make any noise at all. They didn't laugh at the jokes, nothing. The only things that got a reaction, where a lot of "awwwws" for the Porgs, and people cheered the Ben and Rey kiss. It was almost distracting how quiet everyone was. Really strange!
Same here. I watched it twice on the first day, in different cinemas. Made me a bit sad.
10 hours ago, Benny89 said:Nothing in this move made sense. That star destroyers fleet...god, what idiot thought of that? 😕 Legacy of Anakin prophecy is destroyed, instead if Skywalker saga it's Palpatine saga... I will stick to EU
I agree, that the movie diminishes Anakins Legacy as the Chosen One. BUT Palps even said, that he was dead. So Anakin destroyed him. Unfortunately this old man had a possibility to come back. Nonetheless the galaxy had peace for 30 years.
I just realize, this ties in with my displeasure about Rey being a Palpatine. She should have been a nobody, backed up by the power of the Dyad and by the force, which needs a vessel to again face the rising darkness.
1 hour ago, Vader is Love said:Dunno about this, but well, JJ was the guy to set the whole thing up in
JJ had planned to kill Poe off and only changed his mind in shooting which is why Poe has so little interaction with others in TFA. The actors were the ones pushing it as it felt a natural outgrowth of their acting choices. It would have been nice to have, something fresh in the franchise's movies, particularly in this media landscape.
I think one of the biggest complaints I'd have about the new trilogy is that they don't know what to do with a lot of the new characters except Rey and Kylo. Finn gets side lined in two movies and Poe's character arc ends with TLJ. It waa particularly hard to see Rose get pushed to the background after being so great in TLJ.
On other peoples points I think Kathleen Kennedy is probably the safest hands for the franchise just now. She will likely be weighing up options based on what works and doesn't as she's shown a willingness to experiment.
She's shown largely an astutness with who to trust. Giving fans creators with proven track records like Filoni and Favreau space they need to do their own things. She gave Gareth Edwards the help he needed to develop his film, you can see where the emergency director helps. She yanked Treverrow, Trank and D&D when they were heard towards being liabilities so we dodged those bullets, neither of them have shown much understanding of their own work. She's reading Rian Johnson for his reliable work now with movies down the line, between TLJ and Knives Out he's proven he's a good talent for the stable.
Biggest missteps for her were siding with the Kasdans over Lord and Miller for Solo. That ended up with a blander project. Bringing JJ back was logical but was from his track record going to be disatiafying. I'd also rate her indulgence of fan demand to be a weakness as it ends up with half baked films like Solo and TROS instead of allowing artistic vision giving people what they actually want instead of what they say they want. It's why I'm cynical about Kenobi.
People need a higher artistic bar than Marvel. That's as much about churning out safe, homogenized product that gives you a free hit for the next one along the way. It only really pops when giving a director some free reign and letting their personality in liie with GotG or Thor Ragnarok. At worst you get tedious, self indulgence like Endgame.
Edited by LithiumBlossomSo an interesting delve into Palpatine's cheating death at the end of RotJ and why it might not been quite as much of an *****pull in TRoS...
The host posits that much of the groundwork for Palpatine's return had been laid not only in supplementary material such as comics and novels, but even so far back as the prequels, making note that his line about unnatural abilities in RotS being used word for word in TRoS to underscore that he did indeed have the means to cheat death by the time that RotJ rolled around.
18 hours ago, LithiumBlossom said:Zorii Bliss was a disappointing character. Expected maybe a mini boss or rival from the Fringe to complicate matters for our heroes. Someone to be dangerous flexible unlike the First Order. It seems her main function was to put a wedge between his potential relationship to Finn that the actors and a lot of the fans felt was natural.
JJ Abrahams has a history of doing this, making sure to avoid any same sex relationships with his male heroes.
Any way, have some art I did of her.
Have you tried using this artwork to pay off an overdraft?
9 hours ago, StarkJunior said:"It's not a navy, sir, it's just... people." was a really great line, and I really loved that scene because it made me feel that inner hope again, which is rare these days in real life, and having the theme blaring as all the ships arrived was great, too.
Funny, whenever a divisive film comes out there are always moments, scenes or lines that highlight the divide and, for me, this was one of the many lines that was dripping in Schmutzly Cheese and made it hard for me to enjoy the movie.
i heard that and my first thought was “Sure, just ‘people’ but enough of them to beat a (presumably) highly trained military force in ships that was 10,000 more powerful than the First Order” (or whether that line was). Shows were my head was at by that point.
to the other comments about noise in the theatre, I hadn’t even considered it till this thread but, having seen all the movies since AotC in the cinema at its first or second showing, i now realize that there was hardly any noise at all after the opening crawl. Before that were cheers, whoops and claps but after the crawl, even most of the jokes didn’t hit with the audience.
Certainly not trying to be a Negative Nancy as I seem to be in the minority who didn’t enjoy it (anecdotally, I am the only person I know who doesn’t like it from the dozen or so of my friends who have seen it), just still so disappointed that the saga that has been a constant in my life since I was 7 ended with what felt like a fizzle and not a bang.
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