11 minutes ago, Sturn said:

Away put your political talk on our forums please. That is the way to the Dark Side.

Seriously, I come here for everything Star Wars and gaming specifically. Talk all you want about Star Wars politics, even reference real world politics when doing so occasionally, but please, please don't get into blatant political talk. Leave that far, far away in our own galaxy.

I do apologise. I feel it was directed at me. Whether it was or not, I'm sorry.

16 minutes ago, Jegergryte said:

1) This is yet again a workable example of the law of small numbers fallacy. But I'll leave it, if you want your faith in these irrelevant variances to matter, then so be it.

2) You're showign so many presuppositions here, that obviously comes from (table-top) roleplaying game, that it warrants a different kind of reply: If this is how you choose to run your game, sure, but that merely means that tRoS is in dissonance with your games and how you prefer to run games. Which is a completely different playing-field. It is irrelevant regarding the world and force powers and stories told in this storyverse. Getting caught up in game-mechanical-like stuff, when watching a film. Well. That speaks for itself.

3) That's a loaded and silly question. I'm sorry your brain hurt, I was luckily unharmed by that but to answer the spirit of your question: I'm not one who only laughs when forced to, I also laugh at silly things, like puns, dad-jokes, and more (like Mr. Bean). That this part carries weight, I find interesting. And weird. Really weird.

4) When I originally watched the films as a preteen, sure, I could agree that the Empire seemed like a threat, however today, not so much, they seem like silly, camp, evil-doers, hardly competent, but more lucky in their schemes and in-fighting. Pretty much like the FO. It's part-and-parcel of Star Wars, it is silly, camp, and fun.

5) This is what I referred to as blasé. I had the same after my initial one or two viewings of TFA, but then I thought: I can enjoy this, if I leave my pretentious and entitled consumerist behind by the door, and try to see it for what it is and what it is intended, rather than what I want, or think it should be. After that, things got a lot better. Sure, I can see holes and issues, but giving in to that **** is like giving in to the dark side, letting fear and hate control my emotions. If anything, Star Wars taught me that letting my emotions be controlled like that, isn't a good thing.

6) Because that's how I see such behaviour, because it is ... to be honest.

1) Ofc These are small numbers, but that Counts for everything everybody says in this Forum so it is pointless to Point it out. and I don't put my faith in anything, what are you Talking About? I simply was a bit surprised thats all. It is like you go to a new highschool and everybody is drinking tomato Juice and not Coke or Pepsi.

2) No I don't. I do not assume it from the games or whatever, but from movies and Clone wars.

3) If u find other Feelings and opinions silly and weird, ok for you. I like Mister Bean too, but I dont want him in a war movie. What TLJ was for me was a mix of James Ryan and Mr. Bean, that Kind of does not fit together Mayber some People drink their orangejuice after they brushed their teeth. It is important for me because it kills the atmosphere for me.

4) Watch the first Scene in Episode 4 when they storm Leias ship. Or when Vader chopped of Lukes Hand. That didnt seem a bit dangerous?

5) It is not blase, even if you like this word. Sure you can also sit in a Restaurant and eat Cold fries and say it is still a nice day. and a lot of time it is the Right Thing to do, but if this happens all the time, Maybe it is just not a good Restaurant. If I look Cold and emotionless on the new Trilogie, I just see a reheated old trilogy. It is not killing me but it disappoints me a bit, that is all.

6) such behaviour? laughing at the dramatic reveal of the second psykedeath in the movie? terrible humans

3 minutes ago, Jegergryte said:

I do apologise. I feel it was directed at me. Whether it was or not, I'm sorry.

Nope.

2 minutes ago, Seguleh said:

1) Ofc These are small numbers, but that Counts for everything everybody says in this Forum so it is pointless to Point it out. and I don't put my faith in anything, what are you Talking About? I simply was a bit surprised thats all. It is like you go to a new highschool and everybody is drinking tomato Juice and not Coke or Pepsi.

2) No I don't. I do not assume it from the games or whatever, but from movies and Clone wars.

3) If u find other Feelings and opinions silly and weird, ok for you. I like Mister Bean too, but I dont want him in a war movie. What TLJ was for me was a mix of James Ryan and Mr. Bean, that Kind of does not fit together Mayber some People drink their orangejuice after they brushed their teeth. It is important for me because it kills the atmosphere for me.

4) Watch the first Scene in Episode 4 when they storm Leias ship. Or when Vader chopped of Lukes Hand. That didnt seem a bit dangerous?

5) It is not blase, even if you like this word. Sure you can also sit in a Restaurant and eat Cold fries and say it is still a nice day. and a lot of time it is the Right Thing to do, but if this happens all the time, Maybe it is just not a good Restaurant. If I look Cold and emotionless on the new Trilogie, I just see a reheated old trilogy. It is not killing me but it disappoints me a bit, that is all.

6) such behaviour? laughing at the dramatic reveal of the second psykedeath in the movie? terrible humans

1) Fair enough

2) It doesn't come across that way, considering your presupposition about how the Force and Force powers work. Just my understanding of your post. Clearly I'm wrong

3) Interesting.

4) When I was 10, sure. When I watched a couple of weeks back? No. No way. No more than when Kylo cut up Finn's back, or Rey scarred Kylo's face.

5) I'm not sure I get your example here, but I guess we'll have to disagree here too.

6) No. Not terrible humans, just childish, and preadolescent, behaviour. Clearly there's a difference.

3 minutes ago, Sturn said:

Nope.

Oh... well... uh... err.... *wanders off to get some cremant before going to restaurant*

8 minutes ago, Seguleh said:

such behaviour? laughing at the dramatic reveal of the second psykedeath in the movie? terrible humans

Yeah and also; that never happened and is just more bandwagon fallacy.

2 minutes ago, Seguleh said:

1) Ofc These are small numbers, but that Counts for everything everybody says in this Forum so it is pointless to Point it out. and I don't put my faith in anything, what are you Talking About? I simply was a bit surprised thats all. It is like you go to a new highschool and everybody is drinking tomato Juice and not Coke or Pepsi.

But...you're saying that you're "surprised" that a lot of people liked a pair of movies that made $2 billion and $1.3 billion, respectively. While box office isn't everything, movies don't make that kind of money without many people partaking of multiple viewings. Generally, people don't see movies they didn't like multiple times. (At the very least, they don't usually pay to do it.) But you're basing that surprise on a small sample size - your immediate social circle. So, you're walking into that new school, not seeing everyone drinking tomato juice, but drinking Coke and Pepsi, but claim to be surprised because your immediate friends are scoffing at the Coke and Pepsi drinkers.

Just to give some context to the TRoS box office returns - it's a little more complicated than it seems.

TFA and TLJ both had longer plays before Christmas (a week or more, I believe), so it had more momentum going into the Christmas holiday. TRoS did not, and that affects when people go because of last minute shopping and holiday plans/travel. Also this year, there have been massive transit strikes - and all around strikes - going on in France, which is always a big performer for Star Wars, so that lowered the opening numbers worldwide.

However, TRoS had the third highest opening for December ever (only behind TFA and TLJ) and it beat TLJ in Christmas Day returns by a significant amount, only trailing behind TFA. The industry is also tracking TRoS near or ahead of TLJ's box office for its second-weekend and all around worldwide.

Sooo, no, I don't think there's Star Wars fatigue, I think things in the real world and timing got in the way, but it's doing just fine. It'll hit $1 billion as TFA and TLJ did, and will finish well north of $600 million domestic.

5 minutes ago, Jegergryte said:

Oh... well... uh... err.... *wanders off to get some cremant before going to restaurant*

You made me google cremant and learn something.

1 hour ago, Nytwyng said:

I'd even go so far as to suggest that, rather than "Last Jedi fatigue," it's more a case of, "People Screaming Back and Forth Online About The Last Jedi" fatigue.

Gods, yes, this!

The Mandalorian is proof I don't have Star Wars fatigue, and yet I can't work up the energy to go watch TROS.

1 minute ago, Jegergryte said:

1) Fair enough

2) It doesn't come across that way, considering your presupposition about how the Force and Force powers work. Just my understanding of your post. Clearly I'm wrong

3) Interesting.

4) When I was 10, sure. When I watched a couple of weeks back? No. No way. No more than when Kylo cut up Finn's back, or Rey scarred Kylo's face.

5) I'm not sure I get your example here, but I guess we'll have to disagree here too.

6) No. Not terrible humans, just childish, and preadolescent, behaviour. Clearly there's a difference.

2) i looked it up (wookiepedia), funnywise Forcelightning is not even a dark side power... the more you know...

4) Maybe I am spoiled from the first Seasons of GoT, but it would have been nice if some more maincharacters would have died.

6) really? you enjoy Mister Bean but call People who giggle at the oldest directors trick in the book childish? That Kylo scene earned a good laugh

3 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

Just to give some context to the TRoS box office returns - it's a little more complicated than it seems.

TFA and TLJ both had longer plays before Christmas (a week or more, I believe), so it had more momentum going into the Christmas holiday. TRoS did not, and that affects when people go because of last minute shopping and holiday plans/travel. Also this year, there have been massive transit strikes - and all around strikes - going on in France, which is always a big performer for Star Wars, so that lowered the opening numbers worldwide.

However, TRoS had the third highest opening for December ever (only behind TFA and TLJ) and it beat TLJ in Christmas Day returns by a significant amount, only trailing behind TFA. The industry is also tracking TRoS near or ahead of TLJ's box office for its second-weekend and all around worldwide.

Sooo, no, I don't think there's Star Wars fatigue, I think things in the real world and timing got in the way, but it's doing just fine. It'll hit $1 billion as TFA and TLJ did.

Thanks. You touched on my curiosity about how that December 20 (as opposed to 18 and 15) in relation to Christmas Day might have impacted things.

1 minute ago, Seguleh said:

4) Maybe I am spoiled from the first Seasons of GoT, but it would have been nice if some more maincharacters would have died.

There's a reason apples don't taste like oranges. 😉

2 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Thanks. You touched on my curiosity about how that December 20 (as opposed to 18 and 15) in relation to Christmas Day might have impacted things.

Movies are fickle beasts and even one or two days difference near holidays can really affect box office numbers.

Still, every other studio in Hollywood would kill to even touch TRoS's numbers. Disney is mighty happy right now.

It's funny, actually, if you paid attention to Jumanji: The Next Level's marketing, before TRoS came out it was saying "The #1 movie in the world" and then after TRoS came out they changed it to "The #1 comedy in the world".

1 hour ago, Seguleh said:

Back to the Topic: I think the release of SOLO in May was super odd. All star wars movies in the last year were released at the end of the year, somehow that movie just slipped by, actually I also was surprised when I saw that it is already in the Cinema and then I remembered "oh yeah, it was planned for may"

Lucasfilm had planned to release in December. Disney overruled them and made them release it in May, in possibly the worst time in the entire year to release a blockbuster.

This is one of the few times where we know for certain Disney stepped in. They wanted two star Wars films per year.

Just now, micheldebruyn said:

Lucasfilm had planned to release in December. Disney overruled them and made them release it in May, in possibly the worst time in the entire year to release a blockbuster.

This is one of the few times where we know for certain Disney stepped in. They wanted two star Wars films per year.

Also, releasing so close to Infinity War was not the best idea.

36 minutes ago, Sturn said:

Away put your political talk on our forums please. That is the way to the Dark Side.

Seriously, I come here for everything Star Wars and gaming specifically. Talk all you want about Star Wars politics, even reference real world politics when doing so occasionally, but please, please don't get into blatant political talk. Leave that far, far away in our own galaxy.

Sorry, but the political stuff is very much on topic, and a ig part of why the fandom has gotten so divided.

Nevermind that the films were always blatantly political.

1 minute ago, StarkJunior said:

Movies are fickle beasts and even one or two days difference near holidays can really affect box office numbers.

Still, every other studio in Hollywood would kill to even touch TRoS's numbers. Disney is mighty happy right now.

Oh, absolutely. From a purely dollars-and-cents perspective, the compression of this holiday season in the US has been on full display, and (to borrow a slogan from earlier days of the MCU) it's all connected. Fewer "official" shopping days make for a little less disposable cash on hand and less free time in general. Open a big movie just 5 days before the holiday (which is also one of the two biggest movie-going days of the year in the US), and it makes sense for there to be an impact.

Meanwhile, the general public has been increasingly conditioned to not only be aware of box office totals, but to actively root for (or, in some cases, against) those totals, as if a movie's success or failure somehow validates their like or dislike of a particular movie (whether they've seen it or not).

52 minutes ago, Eoen said:

Star Wars has traditionally had poor results in China, they don’t have nostalgia for the OT for one, also cultural differences.

You’d think they’d be all about a plucky midwestern rebelling against the English.

Cultural differences is not a reason SW does not do well in China. Terminator (Genesis), Marvel movies, Titanic, Avatar , Warcraft are examples of western movie that did very well in the second largest film market in the world.

However, the lack of nostalgia for the OT is a huge factor. One of the main reason an that it was good that SW closed up the Skywalker saga with RoS.

Now, Disney can produce fresh stories and hopefully universally acclaimed movies that can penetrate the China market.

One of the reasons why I think the mandalorian can do well in China it is fresh with some connection to the OT but not enough to be the driving factor

Side note:

1.) even though it was considered a bomb in China. rogue one didn’t do as bad as solo because of the casting of Donnie yen. In the next set of movies, bring in a up and coming Hong Kong cinema actor, make their character a bad *** and there you go. Or take a Asian American (limited talent pool at the moment).

2 minutes ago, StarkJunior said:

Also, releasing so close to Infinity War was not the best idea.

A bad idea that was made worse when Infinity War exceeded even the brightest predictions for its performance by quite a bit.

3 minutes ago, Nytwyng said:

Meanwhile, the general public has been increasingly conditioned to not only be aware of box office totals, but to actively root for (or, in some cases, against) those totals, as if a movie's success or failure somehow validates their like or dislike of a particular movie (whether they've seen it or not).

I don't know if this is a good thing or not, because it creates a lot of vitriol amongst people who argue from positions they don't really understand. But, we all do it, I suppose.

I blame the rise of "YouTube entertainment pundits" partially, since a lot of them are talking out of their *** abbot everything, and people take their word as gospel.

1 minute ago, Sincereagape said:

Cultural differences is not a reason SW does not do well in China. Terminator (Genesis), Marvel movies, Titanic, Avatar , Warcraft are examples of western movie that did very well in the second largest film market in the world.

Because these did not suffer much from those cultural differences.
Movies about fighting evil totalitarian empires tend not to do well in evil totalitarian empires.

1 minute ago, StarkJunior said:

I don't know if this is a good thing or not, because it creates a lot of vitriol amongst people who argue from positions they don't really understand. But, we all do it, I suppose.

I blame the rise of "YouTube entertainment pundits" partially, since a lot of them are talking out of their *** abbot everything.

I lean towards "bad thing." Sure, it's nice to know that a lot of other people enjoy this thing that I like...but the only reason the box office take should matter to me at all is that financial success increases the odds that I'll get more (if I want more).

Studios looking closely at the box office returns is understandable. But we're reaching a point where people are deciding whether or not they even want to see a movie based on how much money it makes. I know I've done similar with TV shows...had a bunch of something I'm interested in stacked up on the DVR, then deleted it unwatched if it's canceled, because, "What's the point?" (Well, the point is...it could be my next Firefly...short-lived, but amazing.)

6 minutes ago, micheldebruyn said:

Sorry, but the political stuff is very much on topic, and a ig part of why the fandom has gotten so divided.

Nevermind that the films were always blatantly political.

I didn't want to call anyone out. There was one specific post that was so political that I was fearing an eruption of political finger pointing. To the credit of the forum goers here, it didn't happen. If you read my post, I said that I had no problem with political speech regarding in-universe politics and even pointed out minor references to real-world were fine. I was just fearing the specific post was going to cause an eruption. It didn't. Carry on.

14 minutes ago, Sincereagape said:

Cultural differences is not a reason SW does not do well in China. Terminator (Genesis), Marvel movies, Titanic, Avatar , Warcraft are examples of western movie that did very well in the second largest film market in the world.

Sure it is those are all action movies, how well did Pride and Prejudice do in China?

Action movie traditionally do better in foreign markets than dialogue movies. It’s one of the reasons Hollywood movies are in decline, they cater to much to foreign box office returns.