I only just discovered today that the text on the Edrio card changed to - Before you activate, if you are focused, you may perform an action.

So the correct sequence would be - Free action (if focused) - Start activation - Maneuver - Action - End Activation.

With one of the actions being a (second) focus action - if Edrio received the focus token from Benthic Two Tubes with Perceptive Pilot crew transfered the focus.

It wouldn't be a second Focus 'action', as you just got handed a token. So Edrio can still only do each of his actions once (no matter when or how he did it). But yes, you can end up with 2 focus tokens (one transferred to you, one as your action)

the term "free action" is no longer around. it's just an action. in this case, the action is being granted by an ability.

there are other effects that have the same timing, "before you activate", such as sabine wren (pilot), supernatural reflexes, s-foils, pivot wing, contraband cybernetics etcetera. this is probably why the card was erratad. it was released before 2.0, in the saw's renegades expansion pack that has both 1.0 and 2.0 content. the new wording is more consistent with other 2.0 content, that was released at a later date.

the correct sequence is: announce you're going to activate edrio and that you want to trigger his ability requiring him to be focused (this is an ability's requirement, so he must be focused if you want to add the ability to the queue and resolve it) - take the action granted by his pilot ability (this can be any action you have on your action bar or on your upgrade cards that you haven't already performed this round) - activate edrio (reveal dial, execute maneuver, perform action) - go on with the activation phase, activating other ships etcetera.

please note that since edrio's ability has the same timing as s-foils, you need to announce that you want to use his ability at the same time that you announce you want to flip his s-foils (if you want to do that) - and that's before you actually do either of the two.

as everybody probably knows since way back, edrio gets along well with his brother benthic, who likes to carry a perceptive copilot for the occasion.

So, if Edrio gets handed a focus token by his brother Benthic,

he starts with already having a focus... can take another action first (for example a focus action to receive a second focus token, a TL, barrel roll, etc. ) then move and take his normal action.

That's almost as if he had 3 actions that round.

Correct?

21 minutes ago, Schu81 said:

So, if Edrio gets handed a focus token by his brother Benthic,

he starts with already having a focus... can take another action first (for example a focus action to receive a second focus token, a TL, barrel roll, etc. ) then move and take his normal action.

That's almost as if he had 3 actions that round.

Correct?

not really. he still needs to get handed the token before activating. that's not like performing an action, unless he's coordinated. in a lot of cases, he may want to do a red maneuver after being given the focus and the action it grants him.

since he relies on his brother or a ship coordinating him a focus action before he activates, it's a bit hard to set up and not super consistent.

other than that, yeah, he can perform two actions during activation provided he is focused. if you want to call that three actions, that's great. just seems like a fancy way to describe him as better than he is.

On 12/25/2019 at 12:29 PM, meffo said:

not really. he still needs to get handed the token before activating. that's not like performing an action, unless he's coordinated. in a lot of cases, he may want to do a red maneuver after being given the focus and the action it grants him.

since he relies on his brother or a ship coordinating him a focus action before he activates, it's a bit hard to set up and not super consistent.

other than that, yeah, he can perform two actions during activation provided he is focused. if you want to call that three actions, that's great. just seems like a fancy way to describe him as better than he is.

Hi,

I'm pretty new to this game and I just bought the 1.0/2.0 box with Saw's Renegades. Hope you can guys can confirm that I got this right...

My Edrio Two Tubes pilot card says " After you activate, if your are focused, you may perform an action". Flying with Benthic who deals out a focus token, does this mean Edrio receives a focus token from Benthic, reveals dial and moves, performs and action as his special ability AND a standard action? I mean, if not, his ability would be completely useless because it pretty much just describes the rules of the game like.

So the only difference from the Before or After versions of the pilot card would for example be (assuming Edrio got a focus token from Benthic):

"BEFORE"

• Barrel roll/target lock/focus (using special ability because of the focus token)
• Moves according to dial
• performs his standard action

"AFTER"

• Moves according to dial
• Barrel roll/target lock/focus (using special ability because of the focus token)
• performs his standard action

Do I understand it correctly?

On 3/22/2020 at 10:38 PM, J-154 said:

Hi,

I'm pretty new to this game and I just bought the 1.0/2.0 box with Saw's Renegades. Hope you can guys can confirm that I got this right...

My Edrio Two Tubes pilot card says " After you activate, if your are focused, you may perform an action". Flying with Benthic who deals out a focus token, does this mean Edrio receives a focus token from Benthic, reveals dial and moves, performs and action as his special ability AND a standard action? I mean, if not, his ability would be completely useless because it pretty much just describes the rules of the game like.

So the only difference from the Before or After versions of the pilot card would for example be (assuming Edrio got a focus token from Benthic):

"BEFORE"

• Barrel roll/target lock/focus (using special ability because of the focus token)
• Moves according to dial
• performs his standard action

"AFTER"

• Moves according to dial
• Barrel roll/target lock/focus (using special ability because of the focus token)
• performs his standard action

Do I understand it correctly?

welcome to the game!

his card was erratad. it now says "before" instead of "after".



but yes. if you activate benthic two tubes, move him and perform a focus action, he gets to transfer one of his focus token (just the one he's got, unless he's equipped with perceptive copilot, which would let him transfer one and keep one) to an friendly ship at range 1-2. you can transfer that token to edrio if he's in range.

if you then activate edrio, he can perform an action before he activates. as in immediately before he reveals his dial, he gets to perform an action before he moves. this allows him to get a focus from his brother, then barrel roll (or boost with closed s-foild), lock or even focus himself for a second focus token, before he even activates. he can then perform a red maneuver and have both focus and a lock, or what ever you'd like. if he doesn't perform a red maneuver, he even gets his regular action during his perform action step after he's performed his maneuver (unless he bumps or overlaps a gas cloud or asteroid).

16 hours ago, meffo said:

welcome to the game!

his card was erratad. it now says "before" instead of "after".



but yes. if you activate benthic two tubes, move him and perform a focus action, he gets to transfer one of his focus token (just the one he's got, unless he's equipped with perceptive copilot, which would let him transfer one and keep one) to an friendly ship at range 1-2. you can transfer that token to edrio if he's in range.

if you then activate edrio, he can perform an action before he activates. as in immediately before he reveals his dial, he gets to perform an action before he moves. this allows him to get a focus from his brother, then barrel roll (or boost with closed s-foild), lock or even focus himself for a second focus token, before he even activates. he can then perform a red maneuver and have both focus and a lock, or what ever you'd like. if he doesn't perform a red maneuver, he even gets his regular action during his perform action step after he's performed his maneuver (unless he bumps or overlaps a gas cloud or asteroid).

Hi Meffo,

Thanks for clearing that up! My version of the card reads "After" not "Before" as in the errated version. Does that mean I play as the card says (reveals dial -> moves -> perform an action according to ability -> perform a "standard" action), OR do I read the card as "Before" even though it says "After" on mine, since the change is in the rules reference (current version)? I'm asking because I don't understand if the note in the rules reference is show that a change has been made, or if it's there to actually change how peopleuse the card.

11 minutes ago, J-154 said:

OR do I read the card as "Before" even though it says "After" on mine

That is exactly what you must do, because the Errata tells you so.

1 hour ago, J-154 said:

Hi Meffo,

Thanks for clearing that up! My version of the card reads "After" not "Before" as in the errated version. Does that mean I play as the card says (reveals dial -> moves -> perform an action according to ability -> perform a "standard" action), OR do I read the card as "Before" even though it says "After" on mine, since the change is in the rules reference (current version)? I'm asking because I don't understand if the note in the rules reference is show that a change has been made, or if it's there to actually change how peopleuse the card.

in a casual setting, it doesn't really matter, but if you want to play the game by the rules (which i and probably almost everyone else will recommend), you should play by the errata. so read the card as "before".

@meffo @Singulativ Thanks so much guys!