greettings, I think it was Kaxel Vofer, not mazz0 (different person with the same profile pic), grettings.

also I liked this scene, I'd be down for this character in the game

I love The Mandalorian, and I loved this chapter but...

...why was there a new republic prison ship in the mid of space travelling from point A to point B?

I mean, this is Star Wars. We have hyperspace. Ships vanish from point A and appear in point B. Or? Did I miss some detail in the beginning?

Do we think it was going point A to B? Maybe to have extra safety against escapees is just flying around open space and just being refulled and re-staffed every so often. The way they had to plan out the prison break, it seemed difficult and they didn't even expect a person and the tracking device (but knew what it would summon).

I think maybe the NR just have some prison ships flying about keeping dangerous people off of planets and harder to break out.

On 12/13/2019 at 9:17 AM, Dwing said:

Nope, that "acting" derserves to be forgotten as fast as possible 😂 ... and yes I know who he is

The point of this scene was cameos, since Dave Filoni, Deborah Chow and Rick Famuyiwa have directed 2 episodes each of the season of The Mandalorian. Even of the acting was poor, just to know that is funny. The same way that Favreau (the writer of the serie) played an armored mandalorian in episode 3 and Taika Waititi (director of episode 8) did the voice of IG-11B.

But.... are those T-65s ? I think so, since these events are happening 5 years after ROTJ.

On 12/13/2019 at 9:17 AM, Dwing said:

Nope, that "acting" derserves to be forgotten as fast as possible 😂 ... and yes I know who he is

The point of this scene was cameos, since Dave Filoni, Deborah Chow and Rick Famuyiwa have directed 2 episodes each of the season of The Mandalorian. Even of the acting was poor, just to know that is funny. The same way that Favreau (the writer of the serie) played an armored mandalorian in episode 3 and Taika Waititi (director of episode 8) did the voice of IG-11B.

But.... are those T-65s ? I think so, since these events are happening 5 years after ROTJ.

Yeah, I’m in the “this makes no sense” crowd. Remember, they established early on, when they were confronting the guard (who, by the way, was another cameo appearance. He did Anakin’s voice in Clone Wars), that if he pressed the button then the New Republic would show up and kill them all.

*guard activates distress beacon.* What does the New republic do? Send in some X-Wings to blow the distress beacon up! Because that totally makes sense. Don’t ask questions or anything, don’t try to, you know, help the guy in distress, just kill everything. I can picture the mission briefing afterwards:

X-Wing pilot: “He was a rebel soldier, I figured he just needed help dying. That’s all those rebel guards are meant for, right?” *shrug*

3 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

I can picture the mission briefing afterwards:

X-Wing pilot: “He was a rebel soldier, I figured he just needed help dying. That’s all those rebel guards are meant for, right?” *shrug*

His name was Jake Bothan. His family has a long tradition of dying for whatever reason, and in droves.

15 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

Yeah, I’m in the “this makes no sense” crowd. Remember, they established early on, when they were confronting the guard (who, by the way, was another cameo appearance. He did Anakin’s voice in Clone Wars), that if he pressed the button then the New Republic would show up and kill them all.

*guard activates distress beacon.* What does the New republic do? Send in some X-Wings to blow the distress beacon up! Because that totally makes sense. Don’t ask questions or anything, don’t try to, you know, help the guy in distress, just kill everything. I can picture the mission briefing afterwards:

X-Wing pilot: “He was a rebel soldier, I figured he just needed help dying. That’s all those rebel guards are meant for, right?” *shrug*

How do you know they didn't try to raise the NR solider on comms? Once they did not receive an answer, they assume he is dead. The tracker thing could be a "last resort" type of beacon. Standard procedure could be to presume the ship is overrun and in hostile hands. Kind of like calling artillery in on your own position when you are being overrun.

Anyway, I didn't really have a problem with the scene. The station was launching a hostile craft and why wait for it to take off and make it a fight? Also, they didn't just nuke the station with torps. They used their laser to "try" to minimize the damage dealt, or at least what we saw on screen.

4 hours ago, Azrapse said:

...why was there a new republic prison ship in the mid of space travelling from point A to point B?

I mean, this is Star Wars. We have hyperspace. Ships vanish from point A and appear in point B. Or? Did I miss some detail in the beginning?

I'll have to re-watch the episode to see if there was a proper explanation given, but otherwise I doubt we'll ever actually know for certain. BUT we can theorize:

• It's possible that the prisoners were being transported at too short a distance to make the jump to hyperspace practical or safe.
• Maybe the prison ship is taking its time because it is cost effective: droid guards+a long flight is not as costly as hyper-fuel?
• Could the prisoners be SO dangerous that they're best kept off planet? In which case: If the homing beacon is activated then it means it is safer for the galaxy that the ship and all inhabitants be destroyed than to be allowed to run rampant.

1 hour ago, Force Majeure said:

I'll have to re-watch the episode to see if there was a proper explanation given, but otherwise I doubt we'll ever actually know for certain. BUT we can theorize:

• It's possible that the prisoners were being transported at too short a distance to make the jump to hyperspace practical or safe.
• Maybe the prison ship is taking its time because it is cost effective: droid guards+a long flight is not as costly as hyper-fuel?
• Could the prisoners be SO dangerous that they're best kept off planet? In which case: If the homing beacon is activated then it means it is safer for the galaxy that the ship and all inhabitants be destroyed than to be allowed to run rampant.

Could also be navigating a part of space where there are no safe jump points. IE., something like the nebula around Kessel. I'd assume such a place is where you'd put a prison, after all - gravitational anomalies leaving limited jump positions in/out of the area - for obvious reasons.

1 hour ago, Force Majeure said:

I'll have to re-watch the episode to see if there was a proper explanation given, but otherwise I doubt we'll ever actually know for certain. BUT we can theorize:

• It's possible that the prisoners were being transported at too short a distance to make the jump to hyperspace practical or safe.
• Maybe the prison ship is taking its time because it is cost effective: droid guards+a long flight is not as costly as hyper-fuel?
• Could the prisoners be SO dangerous that they're best kept off planet? In which case: If the homing beacon is activated then it means it is safer for the galaxy that the ship and all inhabitants be destroyed than to be allowed to run rampant.

I mean, don’t get me wrong, I still enjoyed the episode and I still love the show, that little piece just bugs me. (From everything we’ve been told on screen) it’s the equivalent of the police responding to an emergency call, arriving to see an armed individual exiting the building, and then shooting him and the whole building up without even pausing to ascertain what is going on or to give a chance for surrender. And if what we’re told earlier in the episode is true, then they would have also shot the place up whether or not they had seen an armed individual exiting, and irregardless of what building it was.

It’s just sloppy writing, is all. Still a great episode. One of my favorites after #1 & #2

Ability would be: You must attack objects that are locked, if any are in your firing arc. No asking questions. Just attack it.

1 hour ago, Herowannabe said:

I mean, don’t get me wrong, I still enjoyed the episode and I still love the show, that little piece just bugs me. (From everything we’ve been told on screen) it’s the equivalent of the police responding to an emergency call, arriving to see an armed individual exiting the building, and then shooting him and the whole building up without even pausing to ascertain what is going on or to give a chance for surrender. And if what we’re told earlier in the episode is true, then they would have also shot the place up whether or not they had seen an armed individual exiting, and irregardless of what building it was.

It’s just sloppy writing, is all. Still a great episode. One of my favorites after #1 & #2

But the NR pilots are not police, they are a military force. They are likely in a peacekeeping mission and not a policing one. Especially considering the amount of space they have to keep the peace in. Trust me, if the United States Air Force responded to an emergency call and they were met with a threat, s**t will get messy quick.

I liked the scene because it paints the New Republic in a light that isn't one of benign leader of the galaxy. They are just as ruthless and efficient in stomping out "criminal" enterprises as the Empire. So for these people in the Outer Rim, its the same old ruler just with a different logo.

This is why SW fans can be the worst. Every minor insignificant detail needs to be explained or exposition needs to be added so they get it.
Why was a prison ship floating in space? Maybe the prisoners are too dangerous to be near any planet. Why shoot at a distress beacon? Maybe it’s a we have been over run beacon and the ship needs to die so the nasties on board don’t escape.
Mandalorian is a breath of fresh air in a period where decent SW has been hard to come by. Let it go and just enjoy it.

As an example of just enjoying SW, no one seemed bothered to ask when they hired the Falcon to get off Tattooine and escape the Empire... they could have gone anywhere... but they landed on the Death Star to move the story on. It’s a made up story in a made up universe, not everything will be making sense.

42 minutes ago, Archangelspiv said:

This is why SW fans. An be the worst. Every minor insignificant detail needs to be explained or exposition needs to be added so they get it.
Why was a prison ship floating in space? Maybe the prisoners are too dangerous to be near any planet. Why shoot at a distress beacon? Maybe it’s a we have been over run beacon and the ship needs to die so the nasties on board don’t escape.
Mandalorian is a breath of fresh air in a period where decent SW has been hard to come by. Let it go and just enjoy it.

As an example of just enjoying SW, no one seemed bothered to ask when they hired the Falcon to get off Tattooine and escape the Empire... they could have gone anywhere... but they landed on the Death Star to move the story on. It’s a made up story in a made up universe, not everything will be making sense.

True.... and you need to re-watch ANH. 😝

Wasn't it "established" in the fanon that ships need to stop sometimes in-between hyperjumps? That's a plot narrative the EU has been using for decades... "we know this ship's gonna drop out of hyperspace here to re-calibrate the nav computers, let's hit it then" or something

Ultimately though, the canon is always a total mess because we're not supposed to care about this stuff. If you go back and rewatch ESB they do a ton of stuff that seems like a "retcon" to help the plot along - Obi Wan all of a sudden can be a force ghost because Luke needs to figure out about Yoda somehow, the Force can magically make Luke jump super high, etc... the details are meant to assist the story, not hamper it down.

2 hours ago, Archangelspiv said:

This is why SW fans. An be the worst.

Relax! Nobody is criticising the show for that. It's just a comment about a little detail.

But it's kind of funny when the writers forget how their made up universe work. Or choose to ignore it. It would have costed them just a line of dialog to justify why the prison is flying at sublight speeds. It's not such a serious issue.

(Nothing compared with other things that have been shoehorned into the setting in other media, like running out of fuel, hyperspace tracking, hyperraming, etc. Those they couldn't justify even if they wanted to.)

23 hours ago, Kieransi said:

greettings, I think it was Kaxel Vofer, not mazz0 (different person with the same profile pic), grettings.

also I liked this scene, I'd be down for this character in the game

Oh gods you're right.

8 hours ago, Herowannabe said:

I mean, don’t get me wrong, I still enjoyed the episode and I still love the show, that little piece just bugs me. (From everything we’ve been told on screen) it’s the equivalent of the police responding to an emergency call, arriving to see an armed individual exiting the building, and then shooting him and the whole building up without even pausing to ascertain what is going on or to give a chance for surrender. And if what we’re told earlier in the episode is true, then they would have also shot the place up whether or not they had seen an armed individual exiting, and irregardless of what building it was.

It’s just sloppy writing, is all. Still a great episode. One of my favorites after #1 & #2

That literally happens.

7 hours ago, KCDodger said:

That literally happens.

Agreed. Not so often "and the entire building", to be fair, but hey, that's probably more because the police don't get military-grade strikefighters.

On ‎12‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 5:42 AM, xanderf said:

Something I really do appreciate about it is the recognition of the shocking difference in capability between professional military (even bored, heirs to a corrupt regime that itself falls quickly into the same patterns, but still professional ) vs criminal organizations.

It's one thing to have guns, some military cast-off equipment, maybe an APC or two, some rockets and mortars, mobs of goons that are the terror of your local area...

...but an actual military appears overhead with the latest fighter aircraft, looking for a fight or to at least drop a bunch of bombs on legitimate combat targets? Well...yeah, yousa gonna die...

That's one thing I do like in bits of the setting which show it; yes, the TIE/ln fighter was designed for mass production, and as such not 'as good' as other military grade fighters designed for aces and elites like the Delta-7B, TIE/x1 and so on, but if you're a bunch of random ne'er-do-wells with commercially available 'fighters' it's still probably better than yours .

5 hours ago, Magnus Grendel said:

That's one thing I do like in bits of the setting which show it; yes, the TIE/ln fighter was designed for mass production, and as such not 'as good' as other military grade fighters designed for aces and elites like the Delta-7B, TIE/x1 and so on, but if you're a bunch of random ne'er-do-wells with commercially available 'fighters' it's still probably better than yours .

Shhh!!!! Shh shh shhh shhhhhhhhhhh! Keep it down! Otherwise FFG might here you and need scum even more just because it’s thematic.

On 12/16/2019 at 4:19 PM, Azrapse said:

running out of fuel, hyperspace tracking, hyperraming, etc. Those they couldn't justify even if they wanted to

Sigh.

1. There were fueling tubes in ANH. It’s been part of the universe that long.

2. Hyperspace Tracking is shown to be under development by the Empire, both in Rogue One and in Rebels (XX-23 S-Thread tracers).

3. Soooooo many ways to make the Raddus scene work. Naysayers have zero imagination. A) Special shielding phases differently blah blah B) Sure it’s possible but good luck weaponizing it as you need gargantuan objects with hyperdrive equipped within point-blank distance of your target (which is only broken a little not actually destroyed anyway). Not cost effective. C) hyperdrives are difficult to install and operate. Making a droid hyperdrive army is a very expensive way to put a lot of tiny little holes (under 10% of profile) in ... something? Why bother? What target is that important?

The hyperspace ram is as unique as the situation in which it happened. There’s nothing about it whatsoever that breaks the tenets of the universe.

On 12/16/2019 at 2:19 PM, Azrapse said:

Relax! Nobody is criticising the show for that. It's just a comment about a little detail.

But it's kind of funny when the writers forget how their made up universe work. Or choose to ignore it. It would have costed them just a line of dialog to justify why the prison is flying at sublight speeds. It's not such a serious issue.

(Nothing compared with other things that have been shoehorned into the setting in other media, like running out of fuel, hyperspace tracking, hyperraming, etc. Those they couldn't justify even if they wanted to.)

Imagine feeling like you HAVE to remind everyone how much you hate TLJ an entire two years later.

Get over it.

20 minutes ago, KCDodger said:

Imagine feeling like you HAVE to remind everyone how much you hate TLJ an entire two years later.

Get over it.

I've been silent about it for two years since your last "Get over it", man. I'm getting there! 😊

In any case, I wasn't really intending to focus on TLJ for inconsistent stuff.
The fuel part was from Rebels, when Hera and Sabine break the fuel tank and it leaks to the ground, as if it was gasoline. I love Rebels, but I didn't like that the fusion reactors in Star Wars were retconned to run on gas (or hypermegauberfuel, if you want).
Also, hyperspace tracking is just one more straw on the retconning of hyperspace, where ships are supposedly unreachable by any kind of communication. I love Rogue One, but there (and in Clone Wars), they are frequently talking from and to ships while they traverse hyperspace.

You also could stop being so touchy with TLJ, especially after two years. It's not a perfect movie, just the same as all Star Wars movies and series. In any case, other than in character treatment, TLJ doesn't hold the honor of having the stupidest asspull in Star Wars. That honor is still held by Rebels, when they blow up a Gozanti by essentially increasing the volume of a transmission to it.

I just find curious that scripwriters choose to write themselves to a corner, then happily asspull something accompained with technobabble to get out of there. Feels cheap in Star Treak, Star Wars, Doctor Who, and everywhere. It's not a particular criticism to Star Wars, TLJ, or The Mandalorian.

4 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

2. Hyperspace Tracking is shown to be under development by the Empire, both in Rogue One and in Rebels (XX-23 S-Thread tracers).

"They're tracking us."

"Not this ship, sister."

- Leia and Han, ANH

"May I ask why a Jedi Knight is all the way out here on Geonosis?"

"I'm tracking a bounty hunter named Jango Fett. Do you know him?"

- Count Dooku and Obi-Wan, AotC

Arguments for hyperspace tracking could also be made for TPM and ESB. Tracking a ship through hyperspace is something that's relatively common in the movies.

18 minutes ago, Subhntr said:

"They're tracking us."

"Not this ship, sister."

- Leia and Han, ANH

"May I ask why a Jedi Knight is all the way out here on Geonosis?"

"I'm tracking a bounty hunter named Jango Fett. Do you know him?"

- Count Dooku and Obi-Wan, AotC

Arguments for hyperspace tracking could also be made for TPM and ESB. Tracking a ship through hyperspace is something that's relatively common in the movies.

They used physical transmitters placed on the ships. Obi-Wan throws a magnetic something that gets stuck on the Slave-I's ship. Vader installs a tracking device in the Falcon, as he tells Tarkin immediately later. The Inquisitor does the same with a projectile.
I mean, the lore makes it clear that in order to track something, they need to install a beacon on the target to transmit the ending position of it when it emerges from hyperspace. Those are the rules. Or were.

EDIT: The funny thing is that nothing would have kept the writers from doing the same in TLJ. The FO has a spy that installs some hidden tracker on the Raddus. Done. No need to break the rules.
But perhaps it would have been too much of a copy of that episode from Battlestar Galactica, then.

EDIT2:
The fobs in The Mandalorian are a bit itchy to me too. They apparently have infinite range, and the target doesn't even need to have anything implanted or installed to be tracked? Why didn't Vader or the First Order use this to find Luke? Why didn't Palpatine use fobs to find Yoda or Obi Wan?