After seeing The Mandalorian Chapter 6: The Prisoner, does anyone want to stat up New Republic pilot Trapper Wolf?

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Nope, that "acting" derserves to be forgotten as fast as possible 😂 ... and yes I know who he is

This episode really divided me, loved the idea, the execution was poor. The new actors and characters were very cringe. It's the first episode you could not show to a non SW fan, and not get a pettyfull look back ;)!

3 hours ago, Dwing said:

This epsiode really divided me, loved the idea, the execution was poor. The new actors and characters was very cringe. It's the first episode you could not show to a non SW fan, and not get a pettyfull look back ;)!

This is the messiest post I've seen on the forum since the grettings guy.

4 minutes ago, Dwing said:

Nope, that "acting" derserves to be forgotten as fast as possible 😂

I thought the performances added to the scene. X-Wing pilots being so utterly bored and not caring about shooting fish in a barrel, it said to me that the New Republic is so in charge and in control, violence is so passe that murdering a space station full of rogues is boring and ho hum to this squad. They don't ask any questions, they don't give a warning, they don't plain care. A beacon was triggered, it is in that station, everybody there gets to die, we go home and keep being bored - and the Mandalorian was counting on that.

1 minute ago, KCDodger said:

This is the messiest post I've seen on the forum since the grettings guy.

Sorry, English is not my first language. We could also try in German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, my French and spanish is weak but we can try?... But its not like your own post makes a lot of sense "Greetings guy"?

2 minutes ago, DarkHorse said:

I thought the performances added to the scene. X-Wing pilots being so utterly bored and not caring about shooting fish in a barrel, it said to me that the New Republic is so in charge and in control, violence is so passe that murdering a space station full of rogues is boring and ho hum to this squad. They don't ask any questions, they don't give a warning, they don't plain care. A beacon was triggered, it is in that station, everybody there gets to die, we go home and keep being bored - and the Mandalorian was counting on that.

You did not find it a bit strange they just killed everybody, no questions asked? "Wait, this is not our prisoner transport" for example. I loved all the episodes so far, and the idea behind this one, but I found the execution really really sloppy.

Just now, Dwing said:

You did not find it a bit strange they just killed everybody, no questions asked? "Wait, this is not our prisoner transport" for example. I loved all the episodes so far, and the idea behind this one, but I found the execution really really sloppy.

I did find it strange, yes. There must be roaming packs of New Republic strike teams that just go to triggered beacons and murder whoever is there. After all, Jib Dodger didn't say it was the particular transport beacon, just that it was *a* beacon. The Mandalorian knew that how they would respond and was counting on it. They just let him fly away without a look then obliterated the location of the beacon.
Either it is a story that makes no narrative sense and we throw it out the window or we look for a metatextual analysis, giving meaning where there might not be any intended. I still have utterly no idea how the chain codes and bounty beacons work. Bored New Republic pilots on a milk run destroying a shadowport seems perfectly "in universe" to me.

2 minutes ago, DarkHorse said:

I did find it strange, yes. There must be roaming packs of New Republic strike teams that just go to triggered beacons and murder whoever is there. After all, Jib Dodger didn't say it was the particular transport beacon, just that it was *a* beacon. The Mandalorian knew that how they would respond and was counting on it. They just let him fly away without a look then obliterated the location of the beacon.
Either it is a story that makes no narrative sense and we throw it out the window or we look for a metatextual analysis, giving meaning where there might not be any intended. I still have utterly no idea how the chain codes and bounty beacons work. Bored New Republic pilots on a milk run destroying a shadowport seems perfectly "in universe" to me.

Its just that the republic is supposed to be the good guys to me, s this kind of mindless murderrun seems a bit out of character to me. Not anything that ruined the episode to me or anything, just one of those, you should probably have thought this through a bit more before filming.

3 hours ago, Dwing said:

Sorry, English is not my first language. We could also try in German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, my French and spanish is weak but we can try?... But its not like your own post makes a lot of sense "Greetings guy"?

There was this guy, forgot his name- Mazz0! That was it. He'd ALWAYS post, "Grettings" at the end. Not Greetings, Grettings. For some reason. He could insult you and still say, "Grettings."

it's just so weird.

2 minutes ago, Dwing said:

Its just that the republic is supposed to be the good guys to me, s this kind of mindless murderrun seems a bit out of character to me. Not anything that ruined the episode to me or anything, just one of those, you should probably have thought this through a bit more before filming.

The New Republic fell into the hubris that consumed the Old Republic. They let the First Order grow and thrive, ignoring the threat (the Resistance are minority dissidents in the New Republic) until it destroyed them. I don't see them as super shiny good guys at all. More like "new boss, same as the old boss" and this action highlights that way of operating that I could easily see creeping into the New Republic.

To each their own of course, neither you nor I are objectively correct. I really, really enjoyed this episode (I did not like ep 5) and found that the story choices made sense in-universe particularly if we accept that things like bounty beacons exist and work because they just do. Peace.

4 hours ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

After seeing The Mandalorian Chapter 6: The Prisoner, does anyone want to stat up New Republic pilot Trapper Wolf?

Don't forget squadmates Jib Dodger and Sash Ketter!

8 minutes ago, DarkHorse said:

The New Republic fell into the hubris that consumed the Old Republic. They let the First Order grow and thrive, ignoring the threat (the Resistance are minority dissidents in the New Republic) until it destroyed them. I don't see them as super shiny good guys at all. More like "new boss, same as the old boss" and this action highlights that way of operating that I could easily see creeping into the New Republic.

To each their own of course, neither you nor I are objectively correct. I really, really enjoyed this episode (I did not like ep 5) and found that the story choices made sense in-universe particularly if we accept that things like bounty beacons exist and work because they just do. Peace.

I enjoyed it to, luckily there are nuances between love and hate ;)!

Seemed to me that the New Republic crew member was a fail safe of sorts, he can’t be hacked like the droids could potentially be. If he triggers the beacon it meant that the prisoner ship had been hijacked and he was probably dead. That’s my guess why he waited to trigger it until the last second.

Once triggered the X-Wing team is dispatched and blasts the ship or whatever platform the beacon is transmitting from no questions asked.

14 hours ago, DarkHorse said:

The New Republic fell into the hubris that consumed the Old Republic. They let the First Order grow and thrive, ignoring the threat (the Resistance are minority dissidents in the New Republic) until it destroyed them. I don't see them as super shiny good guys at all. More like "new boss, same as the old boss" and this action highlights that way of operating that I could easily see creeping into the New Republic.

To each their own of course, neither you nor I are objectively correct.

No, I'd say you are the 'objectively correct', here. That is literally how the New Republic has been painted in every medium it's been portrayed.

Heck, even in this series - 'You think it's a problem the Empire is here, why don't you go report it to the New Republic' and the Mando's response? "That's a joke" And it was, even in context of the scene - nobody takes them seriously. They are merely taking some of the reigns from the Empire, and just as the Empire never quite has as much authority as the Old Republic, the New Republic doesn't have as much authority as the Empire did.

(Or, heck, Cara Dune's intro in episode 4 about 'not what she signed up for'. The New Republic fell into corruption almost immediately upon taking power.)

14 hours ago, DarkHorse said:

I did find it strange, yes. There must be roaming packs of New Republic strike teams that just go to triggered beacons and murder whoever is there. After all, Jib Dodger didn't say it was the particular transport beacon, just that it was *a* beacon. The Mandalorian knew that how they would respond and was counting on it. They just let him fly away without a look then obliterated the location of the beacon.
Either it is a story that makes no narrative sense and we throw it out the window or we look for a metatextual analysis, giving meaning where there might not be any intended. I still have utterly no idea how the chain codes and bounty beacons work. Bored New Republic pilots on a milk run destroying a shadowport seems perfectly "in universe" to me.

Actually the Shadowport did launch a gunship as the X-Wings approached, marking them as a hostile target. Their Rules of Engagement might have allowed them to open fire with such an act.

Something I really do appreciate about it is the recognition of the shocking difference in capability between professional military (even bored, heirs to a corrupt regime that itself falls quickly into the same patterns, but still professional ) vs criminal organizations.

It's one thing to have guns, some military cast-off equipment, maybe an APC or two, some rockets and mortars, mobs of goons that are the terror of your local area...

...but an actual military appears overhead with the latest fighter aircraft, looking for a fight or to at least drop a bunch of bombs on legitimate combat targets? Well...yeah, yousa gonna die...

23 hours ago, Dwing said:

Its just that the republic is supposed to be the good guys to me, s this kind of mindless murderrun seems a bit out of character to me.

It was in Rogue One when I first realized that the Rebels (and transitively the New Republic) aren't meant to be seen as the good guys . They murder, they eliminate targets without questions, they have cowards and ruthless people among their ranks.

It just happens to be the side the heroes (the actual good guys) belong to.

On 12/13/2019 at 6:30 AM, Dwing said:

You did not find it a bit strange they just killed everybody, no questions asked? "Wait, this is not our prisoner transport" for example. I loved all the episodes so far, and the idea behind this one, but I found the execution really really sloppy.

It was a shadowport that somehow had an active distress beacon from a prisoner transport, and identified a gunship powering up to launch out of the hanger bay. Those were two pretty big flags for them to assume the target was hostile.

I'm super excited for two things from that scene: Trapper Wolf + company as a T-70/T-65 pilot pack, and the Rogue Class Starfighter getting more screen time.

As for Trapper Wolf...hmm.

Init 4, or so. Pilot ability...he takes that thing out blindingly fast, when it can't fight back. Maybe:

"When performing an attack, if the defender has a lower agility value than you, you may add one {crit} result."

Makes him a real meta call, kinda like Ahav. He's able to crush large base ships (or small base ships that are constrained by a hangar), but doesn't do anything against ships with AG 2+. You could staple a Stealth Device to him, and run him alongside Init boosters, so that he gets to shove crits onto Ag 2 ships, but, it would ultimately be a very niche piece.

20 hours ago, T70 Driver said:

Actually the Shadowport did launch a gunship as the X-Wings approached, marking them as a hostile target. Their Rules of Engagement might have allowed them to open fire with such an act.

I found that more a convenient excuse than a plausible threat. "They have a spacecraft powering up. It could be for one of a million reasons, say like that craft that we flew passed on our approach and gave no cares about. Let's call it a gunship powering up, assume it is a threat for no actual reason, cook the place with whoever is inside and call it a day."

On 12/13/2019 at 9:19 AM, Dwing said:

This episode really divided me, loved the idea, the execution was poor. The new actors and characters were very cringe. It's the first episode you could not show to a non SW fan, and not get a pettyfull look back ;)!

lol its the complete opposite. every episode so far has required fan knowledge to make sense of... the entire thing has been an omage. thats fine and all, but this was the first episode that felt like it wasnt a force awakens style reshoot of something from clone wars or the OT

Numskulls

grettings.

If I want to see good guys fighting bad guys, I watch a cop show. If I want to see political drama, I watch the news (I NEVER watch the news). If I want to see great acting, I watch an Indy movie.

If I want to see fantastical fight scenes and star fighter Pilots blast the snot out of some pirate hideout, I watch Science fiction.

This was an awesome episode! Mando in the role of "slasher" in a horror flick? X-Wings firing lasers? That is what I have been waiting for.

Now that some of you have ruined my fun by making me think about it "objectively," here is my take on that last scene...

We knew the New Republic was barely minutes away from the prison ship when Mando jumped out. This force almost certainly included some sort of troop ship to deal with escaped prisoners along with escorting fighters in case enemy gun ships were present. When they arrive, they notice the ship on lock down and the tracking beacon is now moving. The troops board the ship finding a mess and send a couple of their escort after the signal. Upon arrival they confirm a beacon and then spot a potential hostile fighter that is almost certainly connected to the attack on the prison taking off from the station. At this point they justifiably reason its a treat and open their S-Foils and eliminate that threat. Also notice that we do not see the station being blown to bits. It is only taking a few hits in a few places. They are probably just targeting power generators to neutralize the base until they can get troops on site. Is there any evidence to support my theory? Not really, but it seems to be the most plausible to me.

TLDR: Yes I want to see all three of those new pilots in the game. Mostly because the T-65 will always be my favorite ship and the more pilots, the more ships I can put on the mat that aren't just boring old Red Squad.