The description below the lower diagram says: "Resolve attacks as usual. The range, measured from token to ship is only relevant for gathering dice." Together with: " Extreme Range : Every range beyond the length of the range ruler is extreme range."

They forgot about the Evade Token or they don't want it to function and other effects restricted to long range.

8 minutes ago, RapidReload said:

If that were true it would be incredible. I can only hope evade rules and similar were falsely omitted in the booklet.

What do you mean? How would you have wanted evade to interact with ignition? Did you want evade to work at extreme range because in the dev stream they already stated that this would not work, we simply did not know all the details, like if evade were to work at all but it was always clear that it would not work on extreme range.

So now it places the ignition token before it moves. What if the token finishes out of arc?

42 minutes ago, Triangular said:

Yeah, but the Varnillian card says: "spend 1 die ... to exchange it" So technically that should be a spend -action.

And the problem would be?

Spend is not add.

10 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

So now it places the ignition token before it moves. What if the token finishes out of arc?

I assume it is at the end of the activation, not end of the attack.

27 minutes ago, LordCola said:

in the dev stream they already stated that this would not work, we simply did not know all the details, like if evade were to work at all but it was always clear that it would not work on extreme range.

I really dont see what these supposed issues are with evade working at least as it does for long range also for extreme range. And if they omitted important details in the booklet I at least think it to be an error and a problem unless an faq is incoming very soon (before it can be used in prime events).

1 minute ago, Green Knight said:

And the problem would be?

Spend is not add.

No problem at all. I just wanted to say that exchange doesn't need to be a new sort of modifying dice action. Varnillian works on spend.

Just like "Flechette Torpedoes". There you spend a die to toggle the activation slider. Or "Sloane", where you spend a die to choose a Def Token.

27 minutes ago, Tokra said:

I assume it is at the end of the activation, not end of the attack.

The german original scans say at the end of the activation.

29 minutes ago, RapidReload said:

I really dont see what these supposed issues are with evade working at least as it does for long range also for extreme range. And if they omitted important details in the booklet I at least think it to be an error and a problem unless an faq is incoming very soon (before it can be used in prime events).

What? I don't understand what you are saying. There is nothing omitted here. It clearly states that range is measured as usual from ship to ship. If the defending ship is beyond long range the evade token does noting because it only has an effect at long and medium range. The rule texts are very clear here.

32 minutes ago, RapidReload said:

I really dont see what these supposed issues are with evade working at least as it does for long range also for extreme range.

There is simply no basis for this in the rules. I get that this is the intuitive assumption for how evade should interact with ignition attacks but it was also intuitive to assume that huge ships were just an extension of large ships and every effect that applies to large ships should apply to huge ships but again, there is noting in the rules that would warrant such an interpretation. It might not be intuitive but there rules are non the less unambiguous.

20 minutes ago, LordCola said:

What? I don't understand what you are saying. There is nothing omitted here. It clearly states that range is measured as usual from ship to ship. If the defending ship is beyond long range the evade token does noting because it only has an effect at long and medium range. The rule texts are very clear here.

There is simply no basis for this in the rules. I get that this is the intuitive assumption for how evade should interact with ignition attacks but it was also intuitive to assume that huge ships were just an extension of large ships and every effect that applies to large ships should apply to huge ships but again, there is noting in the rules that would warrant such an interpretation. It might not be intuitive but there rules are non the less unambiguous.

Yes the rules are unambigous, no one doubts that. I am however contesting their balance and I doubt that this is how they were supposed to be.

Maybe that was clearer for you.

2 minutes ago, RapidReload said:

I am however contesting their balance

Valid opinion. I am not arguing with that.

2 minutes ago, RapidReload said:

I doubt that this is how they were supposed to be.

By "they" do you mean the rules concerning the interaction between ignition and evade? And by supposed to be do you mean developer intent?

Should your answer to both of those questions be yes than I have to disappoint you. As I said before, in the live stream the devs clearly stated that evade would not work on ignition attacks beyond long range. So that is, according to the devs, how this interaction is supposed to work.

52 minutes ago, LordCola said:

As I said before, in the live stream the devs clearly stated that evade would not work on ignition attacks beyond long range. So that is, according to the devs, how this interaction is supposed to work.

I zapped through the stream again and didnt find anything, then looked at @Crabbok recap and he said that they said that evades will work but didnt specify how. He talks about it at 09:18.

Also I can't help but keep seeing the resemblance.. does anyone else get the feeling that the artwork for Gunnery Chief Varnillian is based on Det. Baker from the US TV show "Blue Bloods"? Has artwork for her shown up elsewhere before?

https://www.tvmaze.com/characters/19569/blue-bloods-det-abigail-baker

https://bluebloodstv.fandom.com/wiki/Abigail_Baker

I like the idea that Evade won't work at 'extreme' range. The ignition attack is set up at the end of the Onager's activation, basically setting up the next shot...so where Brace and Redirect and Contain and now Salvo are reactive defenses, Scatter and Evade and proactive defenses. It makes sense that at extreme range your ships can't 'evade' proactively...they never saw the Ignition attack coming. It follows that if you're at medium it's harder to 'evade' the fire because of proximity and impossible* at close.

At least that's how I make it thematic in my head lol.

*Yeah yeah, Mothma.

1 minute ago, eliteone said:

At least that's how I make it thematic in my head lol.

You can't dodge an artillery strike. You can only sit on the ground and pray it won't hit you

German version available in Austria as well.

I want to remind everyone that the product is NOT officially released yet, and won't be until the end of January from the last note we got from an official FFG source.

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It's looking like end of January is the most likely release date for the Onager and the Starhawk.

People in here are making some really grand assumptions on what is and what isn't supposed to work. I know people are excited, but until the product is officially released I would ask that people don't die on a hill that doesn't even exist yet.

I know patience is hard when this is new product (especially for Rebels) after years of waiting. We just need to wait a little longer and we'll get the answers we want.

9 minutes ago, Karneck said:

I want to remind everyone that the product is NOT officially released yet, and won't be until the end of January from the last note we got from an official FFG source.

People in here are making some really grand assumptions on what is and what isn't supposed to work. I know people are excited, but until the product is officially released I would ask that people don't die on a hill that doesn't even exist yet.

I know patience is hard when this is new product (especially for Rebels) after years of waiting. We just need to wait a little longer and we'll get the answers we want.

Hmm, as far as I know (maybe they changed it), German rules for prime championships allow a new wave to be used once they have been in the store for two weeks. These tournaments are then ruled based on the available information. Maybe @Tokra

knows more?

You are correct, IF the product was officially released . Just because it's being sold (incorrectly), doesn't mean it is released .
FFG always makes a formal announcement of when a product has released.

And I WOULD know. Not to be snobbish about it, but I was the continental Judge for US championships...

21 minutes ago, Karneck said:

I want to remind everyone that the product is NOT officially released yet, and won't be until the end of January from the last note we got from an official FFG source.

People in here are making some really grand assumptions on what is and what isn't supposed to work. I know people are excited, but until the product is officially released I would ask that people don't die on a hill that doesn't even exist yet.

I know patience is hard when this is new product (especially for Rebels) after years of waiting. We just need to wait a little longer and we'll get the answers we want.

To ask people to not die on a non existing hill. Isn't that another useless battle to fight for?

🤣

8 minutes ago, Karneck said:

You are correct, IF the product was officially released . Just because it's being sold (incorrectly), doesn't mean it is released .

Is it being sold incorrectly? I read they were allowed to do that...

5 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Is it being sold incorrectly? I read they were allowed to do that...

Not so much "allowed" as no one reminded to tell them "not" too.

From what I can guess, this was supposed to be the original launch date for both expansions, but as we can see, the Starhawk wasn't ready yet. Thus the recent announcement about the expansions being released in January.
Somehow the memo to delay the release wasn't passed along to all of the distributors and that is why the Onager is only being sold in the Central Europe area.

I for one am now greatly amused.

10 minutes ago, Karneck said:

Not so much "allowed" as no one reminded to tell them "not" too.

From what I can guess, this was supposed to be the original launch date for both expansions, but as we can see, the Starhawk wasn't ready yet. Thus the recent announcement about the expansions being released in January.
Somehow the memo to delay the release wasn't passed along to all of the distributors and that is why the Onager is only being sold in the Central Europe area.

So do we play RAW or RAI? 🤣