1 hour ago, Tarliyn said:

So, going to redirect back to Thor here. Anyone else feel that Thor's kit is better than She-Hulk's kit in just about everyway?

Really struggling to see why I would play She-Hulk over Thor ever except for theme

This highlights one of the best things about co-op LCGs. You still have all the usual fun of card play, deckbuilding and trying out different strategies and archetypes, but the 'meta' can be more diverse, because you're all on the same side.

You don't have to worry about all the baggage that comes with X is better than Y or if you're playing against A then you really should be playing with B etc etc.

If a hero turns out to be slightly under the curve, then that just presents more diversity - play them if you want a challenge or to try something weird. Or try something weird or sub-optimal with a top tier hero to act as a handicap.

15 minutes ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

This highlights one of the best things about co-op LCGs. You still have all the usual fun of card play, deckbuilding and trying out different strategies and archetypes, but the 'meta' can be more diverse, because you're all on the same side.

You don't have to worry about all the baggage that comes with X is better than Y or if you're playing against A then you really should be playing with B etc etc.

If a hero turns out to be slightly under the curve, then that just presents more diversity - play them if you want a challenge or to try something weird. Or try something weird or sub-optimal with a top tier hero to act as a handicap.

That is true, and if this game follows LotR pattern then not all villians will require you to be optimized but some will. Regardless of if it is coop or not a game should strive to have balanced releases. It being co-op doesnt give the game a pass for marginalizing one of the heroes within 2 months of game launch. Still love the game, just disappointed with She-Hulk

33 minutes ago, Palpster said:

Because it's fun? And different? And because she is better than Thor is at controlling/removing threat and that might just be what your team needs?

Becase of super human law division? Thor has defender of nine realms that removes threat. Yes, you are right super human law division edges out 9 realms in threat removal. Both of these kits are more focused on being beat sticks though, and Thor is a better beat stick

I LOVE that 15 cards are must includes. I also love that every hero has situational/"bad" cards, cause it's so fun and thematic when you hit the right moment and cards like legal practice become Eureka plays

31 minutes ago, Tarliyn said:

That is true, and if this game follows LotR pattern then not all villians will require you to be optimized but some will. Regardless of if it is coop or not a game should strive to have balanced releases. It being co-op doesnt give the game a pass for marginalizing one of the heroes within 2 months of game launch. Still love the game, just disappointed with She-Hulk

Becase of super human law division? Thor has defender of nine realms that removes threat. Yes, you are right super human law division edges out 9 realms in threat removal. Both of these kits are more focused on being beat sticks though, and Thor is a better beat stick

I'm not at all saying that it being co-op gives the developers a free pass to make things unbalanced. I just mean that it's less important if things aren't quite balanced. Plus, there will always be 'tiers' - that's just a fact for any game. But as I say it shouldn't be problematised in a co-op game, because so what if She-Hulk is slightly less powerful than Thor? So what if Captain America is better than Black Panther?

Anyway, I've not seen a single hero so far that feels better or worse than any other - they're simply different.

15 hours ago, Derrault said:

Gamora

What card is she on...? Not finding it.

8 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

What card is she on...? Not finding it.

Inspired

@Tarliyn I can see why you are digging Thor, but personally I could see favoring She-Hulk over Thor against villains like Ultron who like to flood the board with minions. She has that really potent ability when she filps that only get's better the more minions that have been brought out, so she seems to have better crowd control. She beats on things pretty good, just less, "1v1 me bro!" like Thor seems to favor.

2 hours ago, Tarliyn said:

Still love the game, just disappointed with She-Hulk

She-Hulk is my favorite deck to play currently. Just flipping back and forth for damage is fantastic and the free threat prevention on her alter ego side is great. She has ridiculous 5 Rec stat, which keeps her Focused Rage fueled usually all game. That in addition to Hellcat potentially thwarting the entire game and She-Hulk having a base 3 attack without any other investment means she's a surprisingly well rounded investigator. Also alot of fun to play with great big moments from Gamma Slam and Ground Stomp greatly helping her close damage gaps and clearing weenie minions. One-Two Punch is an amazingly efficient damage card on top of all that.

I'm not sure how Thor is decidedly better than She-Hulk honestly. He looks great and thematic in his own way, but they don't seem out of wack balance-wise. She-Hulk will more reliably have a better card draw engine than Thor unless you are playing a scenario like Ultron that reliably gives you a minion each turn. Even then She-Hulk is pretty close considering she flips back and forth to her alter-ego side often and can always tap Focused Rage when she's flips back to her hero side. So at worst case she's down 1 card every other turn from Thor if he gets a minion every turn to trigger his ability and She-Hulk gets Focused Rage early.

Add: Also if you build your deck for it then Super Human Law Division is way more efficient than Defender Of The Nine Realms. Also SHLD is repeatable once it goes down. The only card that has real questionable value is Legal Practice in her deck, and there are definitely times when you just need to play it to stay in the game.

Wait hol up you all think She-Hulk is weaker than Thor? She-Hulk is definitely one of the better heroes in the game right now for sure, and until we see more of Thor's uniques, he really doesn't seem all that strong. That highly situation +2 cards isn't as good given that he's a 5/4.

39 minutes ago, Supertoe said:

Wait hol up you all think She-Hulk is weaker than Thor? She-Hulk is definitely one of the better heroes in the game right now for sure, and until we see more of Thor's uniques, he really doesn't seem all that strong. That highly situation +2 cards isn't as good given that he's a 5/4.

Yeah, I think the coolest thing about the character balance is that every hero is plenty viable—some are just better against certain villains 🤷‍♂️

1 hour ago, Supertoe said:

Wait hol up you all think She-Hulk is weaker than Thor? She-Hulk is definitely one of the better heroes in the game right now for sure, and until we see more of Thor's uniques, he really doesn't seem all that strong. That highly situation +2 cards isn't as good given that he's a 5/4.

Indeed, Focused Rage is a higher level of draw, and not dependent on a specific Type of encounter card showing up.

So I thought Thor was 5 on each side. The fact that he is 4/5 brings them much closer to together.

I still think Thor will have the slight edge but not as bad as I had thought initially

I am much happier now

2 hours ago, Tarliyn said:

So I thought Thor was 5 on each side. The fact that he is 4/5 brings them much closer to together.

I still think Thor will have the slight edge but not as bad as I had thought initially

I am much happier now

Yeah, that hand size is huge. The only hero I think is above the others is Iron Man, and maybe spidey is a bit on the weak side.

10 hours ago, jonboyjon1990 said:

Inspired

What am I missing here? That’s Wasp, no? Bursting through a wall or something, towards an alien goon?

7 minutes ago, SpiderMana said:

What am I missing here? That’s Wasp, no? Bursting through a wall or something, towards an alien goon?

On inspired? No that’s Gamora wearing a helmet. Look at the layout of her armor.

Edit: Just do a search for Gamora white armor and you should find some easy comparisons.

Yeah that's definitely her modern armor. She's not often drawn with a helmet though.

7 minutes ago, Derrault said:

On inspired? No that’s Gamora wearing a helmet. Look at the layout of her armor.

Edit: Just do a search for Gamora white armor and you should find some easy comparisons.

Huh, the helmet really makes her look a bit Caucasian. 😅 The StarLord quote is much more fitting this way.

So what’s Wasp on? She was on your list, right?

56 minutes ago, Supertoe said:

Yeah, that hand size is huge. The only hero I think is above the others is Iron Man, and maybe spidey is a bit on the weak side.

Eeeeh Black Panther’s got the Golden City, but that’s an Alter-Ego card (and coincidentally, about the only reason for him to flip on a semi-regular basis unless you really need lots of Recovery.)

The only downside to Spidey’s card draw is how good Webbed Up is, tbh. At least in solo, when that can stop the enemy from giving him an extra card for two whole rounds.

Also of note: Iron Man and Captain Marvel are much more likely to cycle their decks more often, due to the structure of some of their draw abilities. But I don’t think that their increased card draw makes them strictly better in this regard (I suppose because they have to discard some cards to make it work.)

12 hours ago, SpiderMana said:

Eeeeh Black Panther’s got the Golden City, but that’s an Alter-Ego card (and coincidentally, about the only reason for him to flip on a semi-regular basis unless you really need lots of Recovery.)

The only downside to Spidey’s card draw is how good Webbed Up is, tbh. At least in solo, when that can stop the enemy from giving him an extra card for two whole rounds.

Also of note: Iron Man and Captain Marvel are much more likely to cycle their decks more often, due to the structure of some of their draw abilities. But I don’t think that their increased card draw makes them strictly better in this regard (I suppose because they have to discard some cards to make it work.)

Ha no I just meant in power level. All of them are fairly equivalent in power level, but I'd say Iron Man is slighlty above and spidey slightly below. But yeah Spidey's draw is awesome.

47 minutes ago, Supertoe said:

Ha no I just meant in power level. All of them are fairly equivalent in power level, but I'd say Iron Man is slighlty above and spidey slightly below. But yeah Spidey's draw is awesome.

Naaaah Spidey’s really solid. There’s not a single card in his deck I’m not excited to see pop up. Web-shooters are super versatile, often making the difference between being able to discard a villain attachment or not; Webbed Up lets you stay in Hero mode practically forever in solo; Swinging Web Kick is one of the higher amounts of consistent damage you can play (not reliant on being damaged or discarding energy); Aunt May is kindof OP recovery; Tracers are huge when minions pop up, especially if you’re not playing Justice; Enhanced Spidey Sense has saved me from soooo many Vultures; Backflip lets you stay Readied and save your Allies while avoiding a potentially huge amount of damage; Black Cat is infinite damage and potentially a 2-card draw for 2 resources? Like, what?

Spiderman has great resource generation, which lets him be more efficient with his cards. I like his resource generation boost more than Captain Marvel and Black Panther since you can choose when to use it and it can be used over multiple turns, which makes it a more smooth resource solution. Also if Spiderman is getting attacked alot he's doing just fine for card draw. Spiderman's issue usually is being able to Thwart without aspect card help. You have Spider Tracers but if they don't come out at the right time then they aren't helpful. Because of that I feel Spiderman needs to stay hero longer than anyone else during the game, which is thematic. He keeps wanting to flip back to Peter, but he can't because villain thwarting can get out of control for him. At least in solo that was my experience.

On 12/11/2019 at 10:34 PM, SpiderMana said:

Huh, the helmet really makes her look a bit Caucasian. 😅 The StarLord quote is much more fitting this way.

So what’s Wasp on? She was on your list, right?

Combat Training. I’m pretty sure it’s The Unstoppable Wasp: Nadia Van Dyne, however, not Janet.

2 hours ago, Derrault said:

Combat Training. I’m pretty sure it’s The Unstoppable Wasp: Nadia Van Dyne, however, not Janet.

I thought that was Black Widow (who has broken the punching bag thing) and a Wasp quote (complaining about it).

7 hours ago, FearLord said:

I thought that was Black Widow (who has broken the punching bag thing) and a Wasp quote (complaining about it).

I mean, I don’t know what comic the quote or the picture are actually taken from, but my reasoning is that Nadia is a redhead with that short bob cut who has a tight knit relationship with Janet, and who looks like that character in the comic panels I’ve been able to find. That just doesn’t resemble Black Widow as I’ve seen her drawn anywhere.

edit: Fun story, I think I found the artwork for the April hero in looking up the artist on Combat Training.
edit2: the artist appears to have worked mainly on X-Men, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Deadpool, and Slapstick art for marvel.

3 hours ago, Derrault said:

I mean, I don’t know what comic the quote or the picture are actually taken from, but my reasoning is that Nadia is a redhead with that short bob cut who has a tight knit relationship with Janet, and who looks like that character in the comic panels I’ve been able to find. That just doesn’t resemble Black Widow as I’ve seen her drawn anywhere.

edit: Fun story, I think I found the artwork for the April hero in looking up the artist on Combat Training.
edit2: the artist appears to have worked mainly on X-Men, Ant-Man and the Wasp, Deadpool, and Slapstick art for marvel.

What, no link in a spoiler tag?