27 minutes ago, Lord Preyer said:

The dead guy was a Town player!

Emphasis on was.

For all we know you've made him some kind of evil time Lord apprentice.

Nothing in this game is what it seems.

6 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

Emphasis on was.

For all we know you've made him some kind of evil time Lord apprentice.

Nothing in this game is what it seems.

Nope. Just chose to reset the day there and then because @Caldias had flipped Town and is a very good player. And because @PodRacer had warned me LyLo was at hand with the Anon vote on @The Jabbawookie .

1 hour ago, FortyInRed said:

Here I am, brother just trying to get ahead in the world, stealing some 'nog. Then this "Time Lord" shows up, starts pulling some straight up Sith action (resurrecting a dead player) but I'm the bad guy. Ok...

I should point out that @BiggsIRL and I both think @Lord Preyer is sketchy based on what we know to be true.

@Caldias accused me of lying, a situation to which I hope I've sufficiently clarified, yet we're inclined to take the word of a dead guy over someone (me) who correctly blocked a Bertie kill and then voted to lynch him.

Facts are all right there folks

Forty, your defense only came after I got you admitting you did nothing with either of your roles. Reactive defense. I know that you're scum, but I just need to convince the rest of the non-crazies.

When I died I got to the observers doc. Everything wasn't explicitly spelled out, but some info was there, namely Forty visiting Ebon in a recruitment attempt. Since we didn't see some night kills, I can presume he's scum or third party cult leader. I only got in observers for a little bit before being resurrected, so that's about the extent of what I saw.

Right now it's a binary situation. Me or Forty. Only difference is you KNOW what I at least was, even if I can understand the wackiness of this game means I could be anything now. But if you lynch Forty and if I'm wrong, you can take me out. But if I'm right we stop any further recruitment.

Man this has completely blasted my game theory out the ******* window. I thought I had a grip on what was happening.

But three random insertions (and a reinsertion) is ******* confusing

I am inclined to follow Cal and vote for Forty. He's been acting mighty suspicious lately. I don't particularly believe either Biggs or LP, though.

Yeah i wish i could just hang all of these people.

Thanks a lot!

Here's an easy way to test my claim.

##unvote

##vote BiggsIRL

Lynch me. See how I flip. Then get rid of the scum.

Hey man I don’t trust anything that talks after its died

1. Biggs claims Forty is innocent and Preyer is scum.

2. Preyer claims Biggs is scum and Forty is a mafia recruiter who recruited Ebon, Caldias agrees with this.

3. Therefore we have one proposed lynch from Biggs, while Preyer claims three scum with more potentially on the way, which would put us at lylo.

Assuming the following things are true, I propose we kill Forty, and if he flips town we kill Preyer and/or Caldias. If he’s scum we kill Biggs.

Also the eggnog claim sounds like bull****.

##vote @FortyInRed

Actually, ##unvote.

I want confirmation from @BiggsIRL and @Lord Preyer that the above statements are true.

10 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

1. Biggs claims Forty is innocent and Preyer is scum.

2. Preyer claims Biggs is scum and Forty is a mafia recruiter who recruited Ebon, Caldias agrees with this.

3. Therefore we have one proposed lynch from Biggs, while Preyer claims three scum with more potentially on the way, which would put us at lylo.

Assuming the following things are true, I propose we kill Forty, and if he flips town we kill Preyer and/or Caldias. If he’s scum we kill Biggs.

Also the eggnog claim sounds like bull****.

##vote @FortyInRed

I confirm. And if I am wrong on @FortyInRed I will happily self-destruct however you so wish.

One small thing - I think Town or Anti-Town is more accurate as framing for the factions and players involved. @BiggsIRL @FortyInRed and @EbonHawk I believe to all be anti-Town in terms of their factions but this is like Serial Killer or Mentor Third Party-type anti-Town. Just in case you want to be very specific about use of the word “Scum”.

1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:

Yeah i wish i could just hang all of these people.

I did say to @PodRacer before I even entered was he sure I wasn’t just going to mess the game up too much by entering so late! And when I first started I said if you wanted to kill me for entering late and disrupting your game I could understand that! I stand by it. Sorry!

18 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Also the eggnog claim sounds like bull****.

Jabba right now...

Dude being a Time Lord: reasonable

Dude being a (benevolent) zombie : reasonable.

Dude just trying to get ahead: BURN HIM

Also, note that in both cases, I had to be asked twice where I was before answering. I wonder if there is a reason why....

if @Lord Preyer really had town interests in mind, why did he take so long to appear?

He could have appirated himself night 1 and saved a kill.

8 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

Jabba right now...

Dude being a Time Lord: reasonable

Dude being a (benevolent) zombie : reasonable.

Dude just trying to get ahead: BURN HIM

Also, note that in both cases, I had to be asked twice where I was before answering. I wonder if there is a reason why....

if @Lord Preyer really had town interests in mind, why did he take so long to appear?

He could have appirated himself night 1 and saved a kill.

Because I was still on holiday doing Xmasness at that point. I imagine @BiggsIRL was in much the same boat.

26 minutes ago, FortyInRed said:

Jabba right now...

Dude being a Time Lord: reasonable

Dude being a (benevolent) zombie : reasonable.

Dude just trying to get ahead: BURN HIM

Also, note that in both cases, I had to be asked twice where I was before answering. I wonder if there is a reason why....

if @Lord Preyer really had town interests in mind, why did he take so long to appear?

He could have appirated himself night 1 and saved a kill.

Mad hyperbole here. We have two weirdos with conflicting accusations. Given what one of them is saying, if we don’t kill you it might cost the game. Given what the other is saying, if we kill you it’s sad but we’ve found scum.

Given that it seems like a reasonable course of action, especially with Biggs and Preyer both very committed to their claims.

I am asking for you folks to trust me on this - Super Time Cop is BAD NEWS for town. He's going to tell you how screwed you are so that you can mulch his specific enemy, and then work to get Mafia or some other 3rd party the win. His win condition is not town.

"But Biggs, how do we trust you?"

You don't. I popped in here and one of us is telling the truth and the other is lying.

Lynch me. Watch me flip town. Know that I am correct. Then follow the confirmed town to lynch the non-confirmed. Town wins.

We probably have a protective or lookout role still alive to keep an eye on the confirmed town, so scum won't be able to kill them outright. There's most likely 1 scum and the Time Cop left. LYLO for the Time Cop, who will need to keep that scum alive.

That means we have time.

I'm not asking you to trust me, I'm asking for you to confirm that you can trust me.

3 minutes ago, BiggsIRL said:

Lynch me. Watch me flip town. Know that I am correct. Then follow the confirmed town to lynch the non-confirmed. Town wins.

Why would we not do the same thing with Forty, though?

Because if he is a recruiter (I’m not saying I’m sold on that, I’m saying it’s been presented as a possibility) then lynching you comes with a cost, and if you were scum you would probably prefer we kill you now so Forty could grab someone else.

I wonder if biggs has a “get lynched” win condition

I'm cool with lynching Biggs or Forty, but Forty is more dangerous.

24 minutes ago, Caldias said:

I'm cool with lynching Biggs or Forty, but Forty is more dangerous.

Why is that?

Because not lynching him means he recruits again, meaning he will turn one more of us 3rd party or scum.

It’s an especially odd thing to hear coming from you, given that it was

5 hours ago, Caldias said:

a binary situation. Me or Forty.

Ah, nevermind. We’re using the same logic then, my bad.