Episode 9 expected viewership: A Poll

By ForceSensitive, in X-Wing

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I want to see it purely to compare it to the leaks so if those were mouse marketing then they succeeded there. Most likely I'll find myself a nice Russian camrip unless my friends decide to go.

If the leaks are even half right, wew lad.

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1 hour ago, Frimmel said:

"Safe to assume?" Given how I'm supposed to applaud The Last Jedi for subverting expectations how in the heck can I make a single assumption about what this movie is going to be about?

Well, given that the synopsis also point toward that, yes I think it’s safe to assume that it’s gonna be a confrontation between the Resistance and the First Order.

I mean, you honestly don’t believe it’s gonna be about that?

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12 minutes ago, Red Castle said:

Well, given that the synopsis also point toward that, yes I think it’s safe to assume that it’s gonna be a confrontation between the Resistance and the First Order.

I mean, you honestly don’t believe it’s gonna be about that?

Well I assumed that Luke Skywalker wasn't going to be used as the Mcguffin and then I also assumed he wasn't going to phone it in and die after all the stink made at the outset of these cinematic travesties about bringing back the original cast. How did that work out for me?

I do not think you are really understanding what I mean by wanting to know what the story is about. The Rebels Resistance are going to fight The Empire First Order. I know that. That is what they show happening in the trailer. What I want to know is what it is going to be ABOUT. That is different than what happens. That they don't show anything about either the story or what the story is about suggests that the creators don't know what it is about either. That is a very bad thing.

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2 hours ago, Frimmel said:

"Safe to assume?" Given how I'm supposed to applaud The Last Jedi for subverting expectations how in the heck can I make a single assumption about what this movie is going to be about?

My assumption about what this might be about is they're getting in a few more twists of the knife used to kill the happy ending of "Return of The Jedi." And for some reason I hear them shouting, "SEE! SEE! Mary Sue...errrrrr... Rey is totally trained. See that sweat! See that running! Through the trees! Just like Luke!!! Now shut up about Mary Sue...errrrr... Rey not being trained you misogynists. She will be totally trained in this movie. We're totally making you happy in that regard. Mary Sue... Rey! Rey! Rey is Trained! Checking that one right off the list. Totally fixing that. Come see the rest of the things we're totally fixing in this one!"

If you are older than 15, how do you think that this behavior is even remotely acceptable?

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On 12/3/2019 at 11:55 AM, ForceSensitive said:

So now that the final trailers are dropping, I'm just so morbidly curious, who's going to see it in let's say the first week?

Vote by reacting to this post, comment and discuss POLITELY if you'd like below.

I waited for Netflix to see TLJ. I'm in no rush to see ROS.

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19 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

If you are older than 15, how do you think that this behavior is even remotely acceptable?

Must of hit pretty close to the mark.

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23 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I do not think you are really understanding what I mean by wanting to know what the story is about. The Rebels Resistance are going to fight The Empire First Order. I know that. That is what they show happening in the trailer. What I want to know is what it is going to be ABOUT. That is different than what happens. That they don't show anything about either the story or what the story is about suggests that the creators don't know what it is about either. That is a very bad thing.

This has been my criticism of the sequels since FA. They haven't set up any stakes for the conflict between the First Order and the Resistance. It's all superficial action and nostalgia cues.

Going into ROS, there's nothing to resolve, and so they'll have to either create stakes, at the last minute, which is going to come across as heavily contrived, or simply have the FO and Resistance clash with no stakes, which is going to feel hollow and meaningless. I'm sure they'll have lots of action and nonsense drama to try and distract from that.

They've painted themselves into a corner though a lack of basic storytelling. Something A New Hope managed with a two minute scene .

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I'm really looking forward to seeing the new movie, how the saga ends, and whatever surprises the movie has.

And since I want to actually enjoy the movie, I'll have to avoid this forum and most Star Wars-related forums for at least a month. Because I can always count on the Star Wars fanbase to try their hardest to prevent the enjoyment of a Star Wars movie.

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1 hour ago, Koing907 said:

... or simply have the FO and Resistance clash with no stakes, which is going to feel hollow and meaningless.

...not in the least because the Resistance amounts to a dozen or so people (and unknown quantity of Ports) on a single ship.

Unless, once again, numbers are arbitrarily changed off screen between films. If there's one thing The Last Jedi taught us, it's that resources mean nothing* in the Sequelverse.

*except for fuel, of course. That suddenly matters a lot.

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9 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

numbers are arbitrarily changed off screen between films.

Arbitrarily as in "were already mentioned during TLJ"?

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2 hours ago, Derpzilla88 said:

Because I can always count on the Star Wars fanbase to try their hardest to prevent the enjoyment of a Star Wars movie.

Sans spoilers, which everyone on any side will hate, I can't see how anyone here can prevent you from enjoying a Star Wars movie.

Just remember that the opinions of everyone here do not matter at all and you should be cool, as long as you don't let yourself get ruffled up if someone else doesn't enjoy it, or agree with your opinion of something. You are part of everyone and therefore your opinion doesn't matter to anyone else on the same basis.

People get too attached to their opinions, as if when someone disagrees with their assessment that they are being personally attacked or something. As if someone enjoying or not enjoying the same content or pastimes is some sort of lasting judgement on their personality.

Its not.

Its just a friggin movie.

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13 hours ago, ScummyRebel said:

Who on this forum has a “sizable following?” I haven’t been in any Last Jedi debates anywhere else.... because I’m not seeking it out.

If you actively seek out debate, you’re going to meet a lot of interesting characters on the Internet. No matter what the topic of your debate is. Put another way - I don’t go wandering out into a political protest downtown and then act shocked when I find extreme views; I simply avoid the block if I want to go about my business unscathed.

The only time I see real world politics being acceptable for a fictional entertainment-driven film (as opposed to a documentary or docu-drama, where one expects it for context) discussion is when you’re discussing a film’s usage of them (and my argument in that context is “keep politics out of entertainment because it detracts from the story.”)

1: Nobody. Didn't say anybody here does. Except Crabbok I guess but he's not who I'm talking about.
2: If by seek it out you mean, "Trip over it in any given star wars discussion space" then yes.
3: I couldn't disagree more on that last point.

9 hours ago, Frimmel said:

"Safe to assume?" Given how I'm supposed to applaud The Last Jedi for subverting expectations how in the heck can I make a single assumption about what this movie is going to be about?

My assumption about what this might be about is they're getting in a few more twists of the knife used to kill the happy ending of "Return of The Jedi." And for some reason I hear them shouting, "SEE! SEE! Mary Sue ...errrrrr... Rey is totally trained. See that sweat! See that running! Through the trees! Just like Luke!!! Now shut up about Mary Sue ...errrrr... Rey not being trained you misogynists. She will be totally trained in this movie. We're totally making you happy in that regard. Mary Sue ... Rey! Rey! Rey is Trained! Checking that one right off the list. Totally fixing that. Come see the rest of the things we're totally fixing in this one!"

You really don't know what that means.

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On 12/4/2019 at 5:00 PM, ClassicalMoser said:

But on the other hand:

Were there some incredible "WOW" moments? Holdo's maneuver is an unequivocal "yes," as is Kylo's betrayal of Snoke and Luke's final stand.

Were there some cool plot twists? Sure, DJ's turnaround and Luke's attitude were a surprise to many, as well as Yoda's appearance.

Was there a bunch of cinematic candy? Of course; what else would you call the dreadnaught battle, and Crait, and the force scenes on Ach-To?

Yes, yes, yes! Those scenes completely won me over. I was on the edge of my seat.

Also, the theme of facing your own failings was so timely for me personally, that I just kind of internalized the whole movie. I understand if other people didn't feel that.

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Busy cinemas are our worst nighmare.

So, week 4-6 are our visit window. We'll be there, though, eventually.

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12 hours ago, KCDodger said:

You really don't know what that means.

Yep. Right on target.

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4 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Because it is eerily appropriate:

https://observer.com/2018/07/film-crit-hulk-the-beautiful-ugly-and-possessive-hearts-of-star-wars/

Really? The piece begins with a straight up ad hominem as virtue-signal. From the linked article:

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weaponizing the bold-faced racism and sexism that so nakedly rests under their skin. There’s a lot I could say about this (and I’ll touch on some of it later), but the truth is, I have no interest in validating any of their hateful rhetoric with actual debate. It has no place here. They represent the vestigial tail of white male fragility that seems to have a last-gasp stranglehold on this country,

Appalling.

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Yep. Right on target.

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3 minutes ago, Red Castle said:

Thanks for sharing, I'll give it a read when I'll be back from work tonight.... after watching The Mandalorian, of course!

It's a very interesting read. Though the one on texture vs text is imo even better. Hulk references that in the star wars post.

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27 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

It's a very interesting read. Though the one on texture vs text is imo even better. Hulk references that in the star wars post.

I've seen that before which is why I was so appalled by the Star Wars bit. He explains in the texture piece exactly what I've been saying about JJ:

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I remember I once met a guy who was a projectionist at a great theater. He was smart as ****. He had seen a zillion movies. I don’t think he knew the rules from studying person, but through pure absorption, I think intuitively knew all the rules and could thus “see the strings” of any movie that had any kind of real manipulation to it. And he had a fascinating argument for why he loved J.J. Abrams (and thereby his specific brand of textural filmmaking). For him, it’s because J.J. isn’t operating by story rules, but instead using the same intuitive story sense to constantly try to surprise the audience. He’ll zig instead of zag and constantly keeps the audience on their visceral toes without ever really building to a thing. For this viewer, he could throw all logic and story sensibility to the wind precisely because it allows him to zone out and feel something and emote along with it…It is as fascinating an argument as I’ve ever seen for liking his work, but when I think about this verbiage I realize how much it sounds like the language of addiction.

It is chasing the high of a certain kind of storytelling that is so divorced from all meaning. The story doesn’t matter. The “what” doesn’t matter. So, in the end, even the greatest argument for why texturalism matters to the “success” of us being able to fall into movies, just reeks of a kind of raw indulgence and craving of feeling over substance itself. You worship a kind of filmmaking where the entire point is to not think, and thus not understand what you’re swallowing.

And you will not understand how it affects you.

Exactly why I despise JJ. The story doesn't matter. The what doesn't matter. There is "the rule of cool" in academic terms.

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3 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Yep. Right on target.

I f**king love you.

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10 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Exactly why I despise JJ. The story doesn't matter. The what doesn't matter. There is "the rule of cool" in academic terms.

Sure, it's the same reason why Rogue One was "cool" and very popular - and why TLJ is so despised even though it's such a better movie. I wish Johnson would do Episode IX and I am a bit concerned that JJ, with his mysteryboxes where he never seems to know what will be inside, was tasked with finishing a 9 movie epic.

But I'm most certainly not going to try and ruin the experience of others.

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Out of the three I wonder which one was most hated out of the height of their hate?

  • PT
  • OT Special Editions (maclunky!!)
  • ST
  • GoT Season 8 (lol a joke one, but still!)

Hard choice but I think those Lucas changes may still be the top one. People use to greet me with "Who shot first?" since everyone knew me as the Star Wars guy at school. TV shows make entire episodes on making fun of those changes.............. Man looking back its just been one big issue after another: PT, Special Editions, Clone Wars 2008 destroying a crap ton of Legends, and now ST. Will Star Wars fans ever find peace?

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

Sure, it's the same reason why Rogue One was "cool" and very popular - and why TLJ is so despised even though it's such a better movie. I wish Johnson would do Episode IX and I am a bit concerned that JJ, with his mysteryboxes where he never seems to know what will be inside, was tasked with finishing a 9 movie epic.

Take it all with a huge grain of salt tho, but reading leaks and rumors from 9 and its seems fine. Very Mild spoilers??: I find it interesting since it seems like they took most of the issues people had so far with 7 & 8 and addressed them. Not that it will change anybodies mind (people got to live off those YouTube clicks!!), but at minimum give ST defenders some more ammo.

I would also throw in the wild card of the Prequel memes on Reddit and if they end up liking the movie. Ian McDiarmid is a amazing and carries 3 & 6 like a boss.