I had a question about using converted 1.0 ships in tournament play. I looked at the tournament regulations and was still unsure of the answer. My question is this: can you use a 1.0 x-wing with conversion kit as either a resistance t-70 x-wing or a rebel t-65 x wing?

The tournament regulations state, “A player may use any version of the miniature and dial that match the full ship name.” (Pg. 4). Technically, the 1.0 x-wing does not exactly match either of the 2.0 versions’ names. This question would apply to a-wings as well, since the 1.0 version is simply called, “A-wing.”

I looked through the official rulings and tried to run a search for an answer but failed to find one. I’m sorry if this has previously been addressed or if the ruling is much simpler than I’m making it. Any help is appreciated!

Unfortunately, no. T-70 X-wing and T-65 X-wing are two different ships with two different designations, and they have different dials and action bars. They are not interchangeable in this way in official tournament settings.

21 hours ago, Nirek said:

Technically, the 1.0 x-wing does not exactly match either of the 2.0 versions’ names. This question would apply to a-wings as well, since the 1.0 version is simply called, “A-wing.”

Except they do.

If you look at the bottom of the pilot cards, it tells you the full ship name.

In this above case, the left is a "T-65 X-Wing" (and is the rebel faction), while the right is a "T-70 X-wing" (and is the resistance faction)

Thus, they do no match and cannot be used interchangeably. Same goes for the A-wings. One is an "RZ-1 A-wing", the other is an "RZ-2 A-wing".

Short answer... No, the ships do not match the card/faction so its not legal. Playing a resistance list w/ rebel ships can be confusing for your opponent.

2 hours ago, shaunmerritt said:

Short answer... No, the ships do not match the card/faction so its not legal. Playing a resistance list w/ rebel ships can be confusing for your opponent.

I think there's enough gray area in this rule that, for casual play, it shouldn't be an issue. Since a player can't field T-65 and T-70 X-Wings in a single list, it shouldn't be a deal-breaker to use mismatched models, outside of official competitive play. Rebel and Resistance A-Wings look different, and are distinct ships, but since they can never be fielded together, I don't see a problem with exchanging models (again, outside of tournament play).

The issue comes into play more when you use a model that IS available in your faction, for a different ship. For example, using a Z95 to represent an X-Wing (since they look similar), or using all TIE/fo models when you're using a mixture of TIE/fo and TIE/sf fighters. Since legitimate confusion can occur, it's reasonable to expect players to field the correct models.

26 minutes ago, emeraldbeacon said:

Since legitimate confusion can occur, it's reasonable to expect players to field the correct models.

I cant speak for you, or everyone (obviously) but legitimate confusion can still occur with the rebel example's you mentioned. Both rebel and resistance use some version of an X-wing, A-wing, YT-1300, and soon Y-wing (and possibly B-wing). Those two factions, on the table, can look quite similar. I had someone use a T-70 in a rebel list once and it did throw me off a couple times until i remembered who that was suppose to be.

Just saying..

A better example is the YT-1300.

In 1.0, two sculpts were available but both were called ONLY YT-1300 (I see I missed that with the x wings). Could you use either sculpt as either faction?

I think the answer is technically no but I also think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who wouldn't allow it, even at the highest level events, because the sculpts are nearly identical (just the shape of the radar dish, I believe). However best practice is that if there is any doubt whatsoever you should always check with the actual TO before the tournament and make sure you're clear to go.

1 hour ago, Maui. said:

because the sculpts are nearly identical (just the shape of the radar dish, I believe).

There are a few more details sprinkled around the hull that are different as well, but not really significant enough to worry about. The other main difference being the engine details.

Heres an album i threw together awhile ago.

https://imgur.com/a/W0PUp

There's an element to your question that I think most answers have missed so far.

You're right that the names used between first and second edition for these ships have changed.

So technically, the rule that you must use the correct model for each ship where the names differ would sort of mean you can't use first edition models for either the Rebels or Resistance because the first edition was just called 'X-Wing' and the new ships are called 'T-65 X-Wing' and 'T-70 X-Wing' respectively. And technically, the model for the second edition T-65 is physically different from the first edition X-Wing.

However, such a literal read of the rules doesn't really make sense.

It's obvious to absolutely everyone that the old first edition 'X-Wing' has become the second edition 'T-65 X-Wing'. That's just one of those little intricacies of the conversion from first to second edition allowing old models to be used despite changes to rules and naming conventions.

Once you accept that quirk, the rules apply again and start to make sense.

In first edition, there was a T-70 X-Wing. This has the same name as the second edition ship, and so first edition T-70 X-Wings can obviously be used as T-70s in second edition. They are called T-70s and so obviously can't be used as T-65s. They are visibly different models and the ship names are distinct.

The old 'X-Wings' are now 'T-65 X-Wings' by obvious and universally accepted convention (though I will accept there is technically nothing in any rules document to make that clear), and as they are visibly distinct models from the T-70 they cannot be used as T-70s.

Ultimately, the first edition X-Wing not being usable as a T-70 because the name is different, but being usable as a T-65 despite technically having a different name is a common sense application.

The Falcon is a stranger case, though. Until we get a re-release of the Resistance Falcon, I don't think there's actually anywhere in the rules that says the Resistance Falcon has a different model from the Rebel Falcon. There existed a different model in first edition, but it represented the same ship with the same name in the same faction. The ship cards have different names though, unlike the Z-95 and Y-Wing, which are completely interchangeable across factions. That suggests you can't interchange Falcon models.... But at this point we don't technically know what the Resistance Falcon is supposed to have as it's model. We only have cards to convert the first edition model, but first edition had two models for the same ship. I seriously doubt anyone would call you out for having a Rebel Falcon as a Resistance Falcon. They're virtually identical, and the actual rules around it are in a really weird, unique grey area.

You can fully use rebels Y-wings as scum ones, same for Z-95. Also you can use Imperial Tie fighters as rebel ones. All those ships have same name and dial. Falcon belongs on TO, but only between rebel and resistance versions, Scum too different to work. No other ships are interchangeable.

22 minutes ago, Redblock said:

You can fully use rebels Y-wings as scum ones, same for Z-95.

Same ship, different faction, yeah. Then there's the HWK-290 which is only released as a (1.0) rebel ship, so to fly it in scum you need the 1.0 rebel ship and the scum and villainy conversion kit.

Also forgot ARC

On 12/7/2019 at 7:03 AM, Redblock said:

Falcon belongs on TO, but only between rebel and resistance versions, Scum too different to work. No other ships are interchangeable.

Guessing you are only talking about the models here for the 1300.