R2 Mistake or Deliberate

By JediPartisan, in Star Wars: Legion

As some of you may know R2’s unit card has the Repair ability as a full action, but in the RRG on page 59 under Repair X:Capacity Y it reads, “Repair x: capacity y is a free card ability and can be used as a free action during a unit’s activation.”

As the text on R2’s unit card is reminder text the RRG actually takes precedence, but was this change intentional? R2 is the first unit to repair more than 1 point of damage at a time. Until we get a correction/explanation R2’s ability is a free action.

But there’s more. 3PO’s unit card reads, “Calculate The Odds Choose a friendly trooper unit...”, but the RRG on page 19 under Calculate The Odds reads, “As a card action, a unit with the calculate odds keyword can choose a friendly unit ...” Again the RRG takes precedence over the reminder text, but was that intentional? Is the RRG wrong, and the card correct?

For now the RRG should be the last word, but we need errata or clarification. Please discus.

Edited by JediPartisan

False dichotomy your honor, there's also the probability the RRG isn't caught up yet with previews because we know it's not caught up with releases, so it needs to be updated which can clarify any of this at any time.

5 minutes ago, UnitOmega said:

False dichotomy your honor, there's also the probability the RRG isn't caught up yet with previews because we know it's not caught up with releases, so it needs to be updated which can clarify any of this at any time.

Calculate The Odds is a 3PO only ability. I’d say it’s caught up to R2 & 3PO at least.
I think it was an error on both, but the question is, is the error on the unit cards or RRG. Either is possible.

Edit: there’s nothing wrong with it being an error. We’re all human, and all make mistakes. We just need an update to the error.

Edited by JediPartisan
3 minutes ago, JediPartisan said:

Calculate The Odds is a 3PO only ability. I’d say it’s caught up to R2 & 3PO at least.
I think it was an error on both, but the question is, is the error on the unit cards or RRG. Either is possible.

I will point out that there was a month or two where the rules did not state Armament and Crew upgrades were "weapon upgrades" and therefore RAW didn't add anything to a unit AFTER the release of the first units with those upgrades. So it's happened in the past that the RRG wasn't truly "caught up." You should send a message through the rules question portion of the site, that's how I notified FFG that Armament and Crew were missing from the RRG.

Edited by Caimheul1313
1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

I will point out that there was a month or two where the rules did not state Armament and Crew upgrades were "weapon upgrades" and therefore RAW didn't add anything to a unit AFTER the release of the first units with those upgrades. So it's happened in the past that the RRG wasn't truly "caught up." You should send a message through the rules question portion of the site, that's how I notified FFG that Armament and Crew were missing from the RRG.

Already done. Still waiting for a response. It seems really steep cost to have R2 needing to use a full action, when you can have 2 R5 Astromechs do the same for half the price and a free action.

I wonder if they made it a full action because Artoo can use it on himself, perhaps?

26 minutes ago, Squark said:

I wonder if they made it a full action because Artoo can use it on himself, perhaps?

I agree, being able to remove 2 damage from him or a vehicle at once, twice per game, seems powerful to be a free action.

Isn’t there a golden rule that cards take precedence over rule guides?

10 minutes ago, poke450 said:

Isn’t there a golden rule that cards take precedence over rule guides?

Not for tournament play. The RRG is law as far as that is concerned. Game night at a friend's house is dependent on the players to decide.

Wow that was a fast response!!

Rules Question:
R2’s unit card has the Repair ability as a full action, but in the RRG on page 59 under Repair X:Capacity Y it reads, “Repair x: capacity y is a free card ability and can be used as a free action during a unit’s activation.”
Also 3PO’s unit card reads, “Calculate The Odds Choose a friendly trooper unit...”, but the RRG on page 19 under Calculate The Odds reads, “As a card action, a unit with the calculate odds keyword can choose a friendly unit...” Are these misprints, and if so, which is the misprint, the reminder text or the RRG?

A full action seemed a little steep of a requirement for R2’s repair, when you can get the same effect for half the cost on two R5 Astromech Droids (8 points each and R2 is 35). Thanks in advance for your help.

Great question, thanks for reaching out. You’ve discovered two errors in the Rules Reference:

1. Repair X: Capacity Y should specify that it can be either a card action or a free card action. In R2-D2s case, it is intended to be a card action. This is because it repairs 2 wounds and/or tokens, repairs R2 himself, and because we want players to have to make a tough decision about what they are doing with R2 during his activation.

2. The RR should specify TROOPER unit.

We’ll correct the RR accordingly as soon as possible.

Cheers,

Alex Davy

Game Designer

Fantasy Flight Games

Nice, gotta love fast responses.

Can't say I'm surprised it's a full action on Artoo. Besides being able to heal himself, he's in his own unit, unlike other Astros who are tacked on to infantry squads. If they required an action to use repair, no one would take 'em (exaggeration, but not by much). With Artoo, it's a factor to consider.

It will be interesting to see if a similar consideration makes the "astromech" for the CIS also use and action for Repair...

10 hours ago, poke450 said:

Isn’t there a golden rule that cards take precedence over rule guides?

Per the RRG on Page 4:

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REMINDER TEXT

Any italicized parenthetical text on cards is reminder text. Reminder text is not an exhaustive description of the rules for a keyword. Rather, it is there to help players remember how and when to resolve each keyword. If a player has questions about how a keyword works, that player should refer to that keyword’s glossary entry. The Golden Rule does not apply to reminder text, as reminder text is not considered to be card text.

So while the "Golden Rule" would apply in the case of Repair having an "action" symbol, it would not apply for Calculate the Odds, since the disparity is in C3-P0's reminder text. In that case, the RRG is the actual rule for Calculate the Odds.