How many dice are resolved for Assault proton torpedoes in one attack? In a recent battle player 1 rolled 3 black crits and dealt 3 face up damage cards to player 2. Is this correct? Thanks

Hi deadzed

Welcome to the forums.

The short answer is only one card. This is because only a single critical effect can be resolved each attack.

Well the long version is to point out that the number of crit results in Armada has nothing to do with the number of face-up cards dealt at all, ever .

The 'crit' icon in Armada just deals 1 point of damage, same as a hit icon - it's not like X-Wing, where the symbols do different types of damage.

Rather, if you have any crit icon at all in an attack, then the attack "has a critical effect", which occurs whether or not you have shields or whatever, and the number rolled that passes defense tokens doesn't actually matter - the single crit always happens.

Where there is some nuance is that the most common "crit effect" which would always happen if it remains (technically) IS reliant on the shields being down do actually do anything. IE., the default crit of "first damage card dealt is face-up". It always applies shields or no...but obviously you aren't ever going to see it if the shields ARE up, because no damage cards are dealt.

Now, 'Assault Proton Torpedoes' is a bit different in that it gives you a choice of crit effects - noting, again, that you only ever* get one...you simply get to choose, now. This isn't X-Wing, crit icons only add points of damage to the attack, if you see any you get "a crit effect", the number you roll never (almost never) matters. But sometimes you have multiple types of effect to choose from. The specific APT crit effect is to deal a face-up damage card, outright . As with all crits, shields don't matter, and in this case it doesn't rely on some other effect (IE., 'a damage card being dealt because the shields were penetrated') - it just flat-out deals a face-up damage card, then the rest of the attack proceeds.

And normally, that one card would be it. You choose one crit, if you used the APT crit then you cannot also use the default crit, so one face-up card is all.

* The note here is because there is one upgrade card that DOES let you resolve "one additional critical effect" when you trigger a crit, in the form of the gunner team 'Fire-Control Team', although not the same crit twice. It's...EXTREMELY rarely taken, though. EDIT: But it remains only two critical effects, you'd need some other cards equipped to generate the different effects you'd want to trigger. I can't really think of a combo that would let you get three face-up cards in a single attack...I suspect that's a player mistake?

18 minutes ago, xanderf said:

But with a Fire-Control Team and APT, you could indeed roll a single crit result and resolve it to both deal a face-up damage card immediately (the APT effect) and also if you penetrate shields deal the first damage card face-up (the default crit effect). Still, that's only two face-up cards. I can't really think of a combo that would let you get three off in a single attack.

Fire Control Team does not work this way; though you are resolving both critical effects, they are considered to overlap, since APTs is dealing the first damage card of the attack face up. In the end, it’s only one face up card either way.

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Fire Control Team does not work this way; though you are resolving both critical effects, they are considered to overlap, since APTs is dealing the first damage card of the attack face up. In the end, it’s only one face up card either way.

Ah, true, I forget that these are both the same thing. And indeed the FAQ calls it outright! So that's still just one card face-up.

Although, in which case, I can't actually see any cases where a single attack could deal multiple face-up cards?

28 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Ah, true, I forget that these are both the same thing. And indeed the FAQ calls it outright! So that's still just one card face-up.

Although, in which case, I can't actually see any cases where a single attack could deal multiple face-up cards?

XX-9s and Precision Strike are the only ways that come to mind.

I can’t remember the interaction between XX-9s, FCT and APTs off the top of my head, but I think it ends in 2 total face up damage.

@Deadzed13 you'll find a lot of your questions answered at the Armada wiki ! For example there is a page for Critical Effects ! If the text doesn't help you can watch an instructional video there.

I wish you a lot of fun games!

17 hours ago, The Jabbawookie said:

I can’t remember the interaction between XX-9s, FCT and APTs off the top of my head, but I think it ends in 2 total face up damage

Yup.

And yes, Precision Strike spending a Hit to flip an Existing Card face up, but leaving enough damage to get a multiple hull strike with XX9s will net you a total of 3 face up Damage Cards, and 45 Points.

It only works because Precision isn't a critical effect in and of itself.

The most you can get in face up damage cards from a single attack does appear to be 2 without Objective Spending Shenanigans.